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GeekMaster

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Not normally one to make predictions (other than no release) but here goes for this weeks negotiations with ASA.

ODDS ON FAVORITE:
After two days of negotiations, management will offer minimal movement, countered by identically minimal movement by ALPA. As negotiations close, we will receive our normal negotiation updates with all the normal statesments such as: Our negotiators showed up ready to get it done with full authority to make decisions. Unfortunately management made no serious attempt at good faith and made very little movement seeming to lack authority to make decisions. We are very disappointed. After taking a period of time off (probably the rest of the summer), the NMB will announce either 2 more sessions or a "brief recess" in negotiations pending further evaluation.

The Dark Horse:
In a pre-arranged tactic, management will offer rates similar to the current offer but will add in COLA (probably 1% or less) and increase the signing bonus offer by a mil or so as a prearranged "gesture" of good faith. ALPA (lacking authority from the MEC to "go that low") will counter with minimal movement from their current position. The result will send ALPA to "long term parking".

A Mule In The Kentucky Derby:
Management will finally give in and make serious movement toward honoring ALPA's current position on the remaining open issues including 100% retro.

The Snowball In Hell:
The Odds on favorite above plays out, but for an entirely different reason than just saving money on labor costs. In the words of another famous ASA Prognosticator, "maybe SKW has other plans for ASA that don't include the SKW pilots". The rumor has recently circulated that Delta is looking for a way to make the ASA name "go away" and that changing over the Atlanta ground force to DAL was simply step one.

My money's on the odds on favorite.

Notice that "a release" is currently posting no odds. It ain't gonna happen.
 
Not normally one to make predictions (other than no release) but here goes for this weeks negotiations with ASA.

ODDS ON FAVORITE:
After two days of negotiations, management will offer minimal movement, countered by identically minimal movement by ALPA. As negotiations close, we will receive our normal negotiation updates with all the normal statesments such as: Our negotiators showed up ready to get it done with full authority to make decisions. Unfortunately management made no serious attempt at good faith and made very little movement seeming to lack authority to make decisions. We are very disappointed. After taking a period of time off (probably the rest of the summer), the NMB will announce either 2 more sessions or a "brief recess" in negotiations pending further evaluation.

The Dark Horse:
In a pre-arranged tactic, management will offer rates similar to the current offer but will add in COLA (probably 1% or less) and increase the signing bonus offer by a mil or so as a prearranged "gesture" of good faith. ALPA (lacking authority from the MEC to "go that low") will counter with minimal movement from their current position. The result will send ALPA to "long term parking".

A Mule In The Kentucky Derby:
Management will finally give in and make serious movement toward honoring ALPA's current position on the remaining open issues including 100% retro.

The Snowball In Hell:
The Odds on favorite above plays out, but for an entirely different reason than just saving money on labor costs. In the words of another famous ASA Prognosticator, "maybe SKW has other plans for ASA that don't include the SKW pilots". The rumor has recently circulated that Delta is looking for a way to make the ASA name "go away" and that changing over the Atlanta ground force to DAL was simply step one.

My money's on the odds on favorite.

Notice that "a release" is currently posting no odds. It ain't gonna happen.

You have too much time on your hands. Your family wants you. Spend more time with them instead of this board. You'll be a happier person.
 
The CNC comes prepared to deal. All the decision makers travel with them unlike management who has to clear every counter offer with Jerry.
 
I haven't ever thought this before, but I have a sneaking feeling like this may be the one. I think management really feels they need to finish this up, for no other reason than keeping pilots, or attracting new ones...and maybe getting new business, even if it is in swapping 200's for larger a/c) They show up with some movement on pay, and 401k, cola, etc. I just hope ALPA is ready to split the difference on some things or give in here to get there....and we can get it signed.
 
My money's on the "dark horse".

There will be NO release and NO contract after Friday.

There will be NO more dates before Labor Day.

You heard it here first....
 
Mine is on snowball in hell.

I think they do want ASA to go away. It has a reputation that can never be saved.

If nothing happens this time, ASA pilots have better wake up. All this is a stall tatic to get to the end of ASA.

Look around. There are lots of other regionals flying in ATL. It has increased a lot in the last 6 months. Why do you think this is?????????????
 
Oplease how did you make time to post wasn't you at the gay pride thing this weekend?
We all know your views, but for the rest of you, call your rep or a member of the CNC, make your voice herd.

As for me. I say "Highest pay till the last day!" and "100% retro baby!"

O yeah "Masa Sucks"
 
Oplease how did you make time to post wasn't you at the gay pride thing this weekend?
We all know your views, but for the rest of you, call your rep or a member of the CNC, make your voice herd.

As for me. I say "Highest pay till the last day!" and "100% retro baby!"

O yeah "Masa Sucks"
I sure was. Had a great time too. Nice to know you were there to support our friends too.
 
wasn't there but I did make a good guess. Not my kind of folks.
 
My Crystal Ball.......

I think we will still be beating this dead horse a year from now. There is no way the company will give is scope, and we will not agree to anything else. The NMB will not even think about releasing us, and the company has no incentive to deal until they do release us.
As for the notion that management wants to retain employees......Do you really work here? Of course they wasnt to get rid of as many people as possible. This company has always hated senior people-they cost more and do the same work.

-Not counting on it....
 
I believe that there is going to be a bit more heat on the company...the NMB had a talk with them, so this time could be different! I HOPE!!!~!:angryfire
 
Not normally one to make predictions (other than no release) but here goes for this weeks negotiations with ASA.

ODDS ON FAVORITE:
After two days of negotiations, management will offer minimal movement, countered by identically minimal movement by ALPA. As negotiations close, we will receive our normal negotiation updates with all the normal statesments such as: Our negotiators showed up ready to get it done with full authority to make decisions. Unfortunately management made no serious attempt at good faith and made very little movement seeming to lack authority to make decisions. We are very disappointed. After taking a period of time off (probably the rest of the summer), the NMB will announce either 2 more sessions or a "brief recess" in negotiations pending further evaluation.

The Dark Horse:
In a pre-arranged tactic, management will offer rates similar to the current offer but will add in COLA (probably 1% or less) and increase the signing bonus offer by a mil or so as a prearranged "gesture" of good faith. ALPA (lacking authority from the MEC to "go that low") will counter with minimal movement from their current position. The result will send ALPA to "long term parking".

A Mule In The Kentucky Derby:
Management will finally give in and make serious movement toward honoring ALPA's current position on the remaining open issues including 100% retro.

The Snowball In Hell:
The Odds on favorite above plays out, but for an entirely different reason than just saving money on labor costs. In the words of another famous ASA Prognosticator, "maybe SKW has other plans for ASA that don't include the SKW pilots". The rumor has recently circulated that Delta is looking for a way to make the ASA name "go away" and that changing over the Atlanta ground force to DAL was simply step one.

My money's on the odds on favorite.

Notice that "a release" is currently posting no odds. It ain't gonna happen.


We all are just patiently waiting. "Things are going to change. I can feel it." :nuts:
 
Mine is on snowball in hell.

I think they do want ASA to go away. It has a reputation that can never be saved.

If nothing happens this time, ASA pilots have better wake up. All this is a stall tatic to get to the end of ASA.

Look around. There are lots of other regionals flying in ATL. It has increased a lot in the last 6 months. Why do you think this is?????????????

Sounds about right.
 
My take,

Little progress, but progress. The company will start to show signs of downsizing the aircraft, people, blah, blah, blah...........

More sessions on the horizon.........we won't get released...........when it is all said and done, expect replacements for BL and CT.

Expect a TA around Oct, after the completion of the summer flying period.

Dick
 

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