ASA Picketing today... How'd it go?

[bailout]

Anybody got any news?

 

[ASARJMan]

Anybody got any news?

ASADrivel knows, ohWhiner knows, JoeyMerchant knows, ask them!

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[outtahere]

So did the turnout look good or not?

 

[goahead]

no support = no turnout

 

[Medeco]

I was there for the first couple of hours and i think it was good.


We had about 40 people walking in two groups of 20.

The permit only allowed for 20 ,so we made two groups of 20.

All three local news stations showed for interviews.

It was good.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Goahead,
You just made my ignore list. Tired of your flamin' crap... Bye Bye Bouyyyyyyyyyy....

 

[EMB170Pilot]

40 pilots.............. that is it

has to be more than that

 

[outtahere]

40 pilots.............. that is it

has to be more than that

Forty is a pretty good number considering that most including myself were working. Glad to here that we made the news, hopefully we can make it again soon with the announcement of a 30 day cooling off period. By the way, I wonder if any of you Sh!ttaco boys would have the balls to strike your airline for fair pay? It would be such a shame to have to stop flying that mainline airplane for regional pay. Hopefully time will prove that you all have the gumption to fight for what is fair.

 

[sweptback]

40 pilots.............. that is it

has to be more than that

Even if we had more people show, the permit limits the number that can actually picket. I agree though that it would be nice to have a hundred or so guys there, even if all they could do is stand on the sidelines and show their support.

This is the difference between a regional and mainline, sadly. When FedEx picketed, guys commuted in on their off days to do it. When ASA pickets, guys don't even leave their crashpad to do it even if they have nothing better to do.

I believe the picketing outside the Delta shareholders conference was the best turnout we had yet. People were really fired up for that one. It really doesn't matter how many people show up though since the PR and news interviews is what the union's really after.

 

[goahead]

Goahead,
You just made my ignore list. Tired of your flamin' crap... Bye Bye Bouyyyyyyyyyy....

C-YA Bra

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Forty is a pretty good number considering that most including myself were working.

Ummmmmmmmmmm Yeahhhhhhhhhhh, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this!

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Even if we had more people show, the permit limits the number that can actually picket. I agree though that it would be nice to have a hundred or so guys there, even if all they could do is stand on the sidelines and show their support.

This is the difference between a regional and mainline, sadly. When FedEx picketed, guys commuted in on their off days to do it. When ASA pickets, guys don't even leave their crashpad to do it even if they have nothing better to do.

I believe the picketing outside the Delta shareholders conference was the best turnout we had yet. People were really fired up for that one. It really doesn't matter how many people show up though since the PR and news interviews is what the union's really after.

Hope everything works out for the best for yall at ASA! Was it local news only reporting your strike?

 

[StarChecker]

By the way, I wonder if any of you Sh!ttaco boys would have the balls to strike your airline for fair pay? It would be such a shame to have to stop flying that mainline airplane for regional pay. Hopefully time will prove that you all have the gumption to fight for what is fair.

What mainline airplane? The one with 70 seats? 70 seats is mainline now? Anyone else fly a 70-seat jet? Thought so....idiot.

Oh I get it. The engines are under the wings and you can actually bring a carry-on onboard...so it's a mainline airplane...


And I believe our strike vote passed by 97%...thanks.

 

[BCpilot81]

I believe it is kind of foolish to be throwing stones at one another, let alone childish. The fact of the matter is that we actually had a turnout of twice that was allowed by the permit. Futher, it was good that any news was there. When Delta Mainline was picketting in April of this year, they did not get national coverage either. The fact still remains that we are the cheapest operator for DCI, and we are getting the big fat shaft for it while our management claims otherwise. Then our CEO has the gumption to walk around the crew lounge on Thursday like he owns the place. We are not asking for mainline wages, our some revolutionary contract. But we do want to preserve what we have already worked for just like any other carrier. To stay competitive means growth, and you cannot do that by getting rid of our airplanes, and issuing paycuts. If that were true, Mesa and HO Jets would be the only two airlines in the country.

 

[Super Monkey]

By the way, I wonder if any of you Sh!ttaco boys would have the balls to strike your airline for fair pay?.

Outtahere,

With all do respect, I don't work for Chautauqua, but have you even looked at their contract compared to ASAs or any other contract for that matter? Just curious, because their contract is one to model after. Their pay is above average. QOL work rules are definitely the tops other than ExpressJet.

Just curious.

 

[Wildmanny]

Guys:

Not flaming here, so be nice.

Picketing works not very well. The reason is the public couldn't give a rat's a$$ what you are out there for and what you think you deserve. Sure it's good for a couple of minutes of TV time, but at the end of the day, they don't care, except that they want to be on time. I'll bet that not many of the paying pax said two words to any of you as they blasted into the terminal to go for a flight (their mind is too caught up worrying about the TSA rapings, the no beverages, no toothpaste, bags getting lost) and you the picketers are the last thing on their minds. If your target is management, then picketing shows resolve as do family rallies, etc.

I hate to say this though, in the end, management will likely get what they want out of you one way or the other, despite your strong stand out in the street wearing holes in your shoes. It won't matter. Not because the public doesn't care (they don't), not because ALPA has better attorneys and negotiators (they don't), but because management has all the guns (they do), including the courts.

Look around the industry and name me one Regional or Legacy carrier pilot group that has won a battle with management. Not too many. Like zero. You all can play all the hardball you want and maybe it will shutter the company (there is precedent in this industry for that). But so far, it looks like that hardball has gotten you nothing but fewer airplanes to fly and lower paying seats as some of you shift backward. It sucks--we've all been there and many of us furloughed.

I'm not saying give in, but maybe give a little. It won't take long for the company to say brand X is cheaper and we'll shift all our resources there if we have to. Your MEC might be leading you down a destructive path and then encourage you to go out and picket some more. You could be walking a lot further than around the terminal entrance. By the way, 4 years is ridiculous and I'm with you all the way on getting a deal done.

Best of luck.

 

[Tomct]

Guys:

Not flaming here, so be nice.

Picketing works not very well. The reason is the public couldn't give a rat's a$$ what you are out there for and what you think you deserve. Sure it's good for a couple of minutes of TV time, but at the end of the day, they don't care, except that they want to be on time. I'll bet that not many of the paying pax said two words to any of you as they blasted into the terminal to go for a flight (their mind is too caught up worrying about the TSA rapings, the no beverages, no toothpaste, bags getting lost) and you the picketers are the last thing on their minds. If your target is management, then picketing shows resolve as do family rallies, etc.

I hate to say this though, in the end, management will likely get what they want out of you one way or the other, despite your strong stand out in the street wearing holes in your shoes. It won't matter. Not because the public doesn't care (they don't), not because ALPA has better attorneys and negotiators (they don't), but because management has all the guns (they do), including the courts.

Look around the industry and name me one Regional or Legacy carrier pilot group that has won a battle with management. Not too many. Like zero. You all can play all the hardball you want and maybe it will shutter the company (there is precedent in this industry for that). But so far, it looks like that hardball has gotten you nothing but fewer airplanes to fly and lower paying seats as some of you shift backward. It sucks--we've all been there and many of us furloughed.

I'm not saying give in, but maybe give a little. It won't take long for the company to say brand X is cheaper and we'll shift all our resources there if we have to. Your MEC might be leading you down a destructive path and then encourage you to go out and picket some more. You could be walking a lot further than around the terminal entrance. By the way, 4 years is ridiculous and I'm with you all the way on getting a deal done.

Best of luck.

Brian, get off this board before we come up to your office and give you a proper @ss whipping! By the way...How is all that stock? Jack@ss!

 

[goodpilotithink]

Outtahere,

With all do respect, I don't work for Chautauqua, but have you even looked at their contract compared to ASAs or any other contract for that matter? Just curious, because their contract is one to model after. Their pay is above average. QOL work rules are definitely the tops other than ExpressJet.

Just curious.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA, YOU CRACK ME UP!!

EVERY ONE WANTS TO BE A COMEDIAN.

 

[siucavflight]

By the way, I wonder if any of you Sh!ttaco boys would have the balls to strike your airline for fair pay? It would be such a shame to have to stop flying that mainline airplane for regional pay. Hopefully time will prove that you all have the gumption to fight for what is fair.

Um, I think that most of us on here agree that the CHQ pay scales are all something that we would enjoy receiving, they have set the bar very high, so I think that really you at ASA are striking just hoping to get the pay that CHQ receives, and you deserve it, good luck with the strike I hope it all works out for the best.

 

[No Delay]

WildMammy has a point.

I am also one that believe picketing has no effect - other than making us look silly in the public's eye.

Management only cares about one thing....their paycheck! Things that start hurting or jepordizing their paycheck is the only thing that will get their attention, ie On-time performance and completion factor.

Put a stop to both and you will get their attention!!!!!!

Write up anything you find.
Don't ask for s h i t on the ramp.
If you feel like you have to sneeze...call in sick. If BL, SH, or CT puts out another memo and it makes your stomach churn...call in sick! FMLA is better than ALPA! Just kidding....I like ALPA.

 

[samballs]

Outtahere,

With all do respect, I don't work for Chautauqua, but have you even looked at their contract compared to ASAs or any other contract for that matter? Just curious, because their contract is one to model after. Their pay is above average. QOL work rules are definitely the tops other than ExpressJet.

Just curious.

Are you serious???? I hope this is a joke?

 

[Wildmanny]

No Delay..There you go! Someone who is rationally looking at the situation.

Tomct: You must be really PO'ed and apparently hostile too. That should work well for you at your Southwest interview. They love that type of thing over there. I'll let my buds in the People Department know you're on the way.

Remember, someone is always watching and somebody on this board might already know who you are.

 

[BoilerUP]

Outtahere,

With all do respect, I don't work for Chautauqua, but have you even looked at their contract compared to ASAs or any other contract for that matter? Just curious, because their contract is one to model after. Their pay is above average. QOL work rules are definitely the tops other than ExpressJet.

Just curious.

I'm not going to bash CHQ because they do infact have a pretty good CBA...but there are some glaring contradictions to your statement about QOL & work rules tops other than Expressjet.

No premium pay for overtime (don't have to worry about JA, they don't allow that). No trip/duty rigs. FO pay is essentially on a B scale, especially when it comes to anything bigger than 50 seats. No pay during the first 30 days of training & dual occupancy hotel rooms while in training. 90 minute reserve callout. PBS language that allows the company to award a 10 year CA a reserve line if they have RGS & vacation and the computer can't build a schedule worth a company-set minimum credit value.

They do have ONE SENIORITY LIST though, and given the Mesa/Freedom & TSA/Go Jet situations, that was just about worth its weight in gold.

Good contract? Yes, IMO without a doubt! But one of the best? Now that's a matter for debate...

(and yes, in the recent past I did want to work there)

 

[ReverseSensing]

Remember, someone is always watching and somebody on this board might already know who you are.

Ah, the old "if-you-don't-agree-with-me-you-won't-get-hired-by-Southwest" play. If you (or anyone) can figure out who I am, will you please come knock on my door and tell me I'm wasting way too much time on Flightinfo. Thanks.

 

[ASADriver]

ALPA walks around in circles, while Jerry transfers aircraft. Who is winning?

 

[ASARJMan]

ALPA walks around in circles, while Jerry transfers aircraft. Who is winning?

WR, why don't you just go apply at SKYW or even SWA. You have that 737 type dont you. What, one plane (701) went to SKYW. That's a decision SKYW/Delta makes. Guess ASA doesn't need that capacity in ATL. You think ASA management is beginning to fear for their jobs too. After all, if we shrink like you fear, then less need for as many managers, and people like you in the training department.

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[John Pennekamp]

ALPA walks around in circles, while Jerry transfers aircraft. Who is winning?

Us. And you training goons will be the first to go... back to the line. Management shill. Max pay to the last day!

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Management only cares about one thing....their paycheck! Things that start hurting or jepordizing their paycheck is the only thing that will get their attention, ie On-time performance and completion factor.
Write up anything you find.
Don't ask for s h i t on the ramp.
If you feel like you have to sneeze...call in sick. If BL, SH, or CT puts out another memo and it makes your stomach churn...call in sick! FMLA is better than ALPA! Just kidding....I like ALPA.

The only people you hurt by doing this are the pax. What part of that don't you understand. You write up every little thing you can find in ATL and leave late after mtc defers it thus arriving/leaving late from your outstation causing 50-70 pax to possibly missconnect ... Happy. What part of, These are the people that give you your paycheck, don't you understand.

Some will say no single engine taxi and burn the APU until at all txs at all cost. Well, fuel is a flow through cost to DL so you only hurt them by doing that.

If you want to call out sick for every itch you have that is your business but then they simply call out/extend a poor reserve. So you really hurt your own fellow pilot ... Happy.

Let the CNC/MEC do the job they were elected to do and get this done. You don't like the pace then let them know. I don't believe that they would condone such actions as I read on this thread.

Think For Yourself...

 

[John Pennekamp]

The only people you hurt by doing this are the pax. What part of that don't you understand. You write up every little thing you can find in ATL and leave late after mtc defers it thus arriving/leaving late from your outstation causing 50-70 pax to possibly missconnect ... Happy. What part of, These are the people that give you your paycheck, don't you understand.

Some will say no single engine taxi and burn the APU until at all txs at all cost. Well, fuel is a flow through cost to DL so you only hurt them by doing that.

If you want to call out sick for every itch you have that is your business but then they simply call out/extend a poor reserve. So you really hurt your own fellow pilot ... Happy.

Let the CNC/MEC do the job they were elected to do and get this done. You don't like the pace then let them know. I don't believe that they would condone such actions as I read on this thread.

Think For Yourself...

Tell me, how long have you been at ASA? I'd like to know from what experience backgroung you base your views.

Don't tell me how to taxi. Don't tell me how to write things up. When you get your own aircraft, do as you see fit.

And by the way, "letting your CNC/MEC" handle things hasn't worked for 4 years. Until the pilots on the line make it happen like we did in '98 the MEC is firing blanks!

 

[ohplease!]

The only people you hurt by doing this are the pax. What part of that don't you understand. You write up every little thing you can find in ATL and leave late after mtc defers it thus arriving/leaving late from your outstation causing 50-70 pax to possibly missconnect ... Happy. What part of, These are the people that give you your paycheck, don't you understand.


Think For Yourself...

thats a bit of a double edged sword....ASA management has a hand in not getting things done too. Delta could also apply a little more pressure to SkyW/ASA to get it done as well. Its not just the pilot group causing delays.

That being said, ALPA MUST become more reasonable in their demands. Get it done NOW!