ASA Picket 17th

[JetPilot_Mike]

Butt out of our conversation. Whores like you know nothing about trade unionism, you only know how to take care of yourselves.

You sure have a short memory.

 

[ifly4food]

Way out of line, but not surprising coming from you. I hope our MEC doesn't think like you, but if they do you can count me out of any support for our MEC. You speak of "trade unionism", however you forget that ALPA is not really a trade union. I am not interested in acting like a "trade unionist" in what is really a lose association of independent contractors.

You forgot to say "IMHO"

Since when would our MEC EVER count on support from you? You are the most vocal critic of the MEC in this entire company. In fact, you're critical of anyone you percieve to be in any position of leadership.

Inclusivescope, you are an angry middle aged man who hates anyone who you percieve to be in a position of power. Your response is to b*tch, whine, threaten, blackmail, and play passive-agressive mind games. In the end, no one that has decision making power takes you seriously. Perhaps you should reevaluate your technique if you truly want to influence the way things are being run, because what you're doing (this) doesn't seem to be furthering your agenda!

 

[ifly4food]

You sure have a short memory.

It's the second shortest thing I've got...

 

[InclusiveScope]

I do realize this. And why does every post you make here or on the ALPA board have the condescending tone of how much longer you've been here?

Pot meet kettle! You seem to have no problem using the condescending tone of how much longer you have been here than some of those who disagree with you. Be careful about throwing stones in your glass house.

As big as your mouth is, I don't see you doing a whole lot to support your ideals.

Once again, look who's talking about a "big mouth". Pot meet kettle once again!
I have done more than you over the years. I have supported my ideals - I just wish my union would also.

I suggest that you rally your supporters and start a recall if you don't like the way your MEC is running things. If you're unable or unwilling to do that, then continue to sit on the sidelines and bitc* about why nobody cares what you think!

Some people do care. I even had the FO rep. call me in Dec. because he wasn't happy about the MEC Chairman and the Capt. rep. who seems to be wrapped around the finger of the MEC Chairman. The FO rep. wanted support from me to do something about it. As far as sitting on the sidelines, that is because the MEC doesn't want to hear the truth. They can't handle the truth. They are still acting like this is a "trade union" and the simple fact of the matter is it isn't.

 

[InclusiveScope]

I'm not aware of the MEC changing its negotiating strategy due to Comair. In fact, I have heard that it's D*mn Comair, full speed ahead,

I thought it was "Ready, Fire, Aim".

 

[InclusiveScope]

You sure have a short memory.

Yes he does Mike. Seems like Ifly4food doesn't like to take his own advice. His motto is "do as I say, not as I do".

 

[ifly4food]

Pot meet kettle! You seem to have no problem using the condescending tone of how much longer you have been here than some of those who disagree with you. Be careful about throwing stones in your glass house.

Go ahead and cut/past such an instance here for us...

Once again, look who's talking about a "big mouth". Pot meet kettle once again!
I have done more than you over the years. I have supported my ideals - I just wish my union would also.

How? Go ahead and list them for us... suing the union doesn't count.

Some people do care. I even had the FO rep. call me in Dec. because he wasn't happy about the MEC Chairman and the Capt. rep. who seems to be wrapped around the finger of the MEC Chairman. The FO rep. wanted support from me to do something about it. As far as sitting on the sidelines, that is because the MEC doesn't want to hear the truth. They can't handle the truth. They are still acting like this is a "trade union" and the simple fact of the matter is it isn't.

You know, it's funny you should mention that. The CA rep (a friend of mine) called me up laughing at you, and said that he saw you drunk on the crew bus after work when you told him that. It was the only explanation he could come up with for why you would say something so ridiculous. You need to lay off the dope, Inclusivescope.

What was I saying about blackmail and mind games...?

 

[ifly4food]

Yes he does Mike. Seems like Ifly4food doesn't like to take his own advice. His motto is "do as I say, not as I do".

Waah. Go anead and whine... it's the only power you have. Don't you get it? Nobody believes you, nobody takes you seriously, and nobody cares what you think. You have no credibility!

 

[Freebrd]

>>>>Some of us who have been involved for longer than you, disagree with our current MEC and their approach. We need to either accept the fact that we are simply a lose association of independent contractors rather than a union, or we need to change the way the union does business.<<<<

More ***DELETED*** whining! He had his chance last contract. His RJDC agenda makes him think he has all the answers. He's PO'd because he's shutout of MEC decisions. A classic stir-the-pot man!

 

[InclusiveScope]

>>>>Some of us who have been involved for longer than you, disagree with our current MEC and their approach. We need to either accept the fact that we are simply a lose association of independent contractors rather than a union, or we need to change the way the union does business.<<<<

More ***DELETED*** whining! He had his chance last contract. His RJDC agenda makes him think he has all the answers. He's PO'd because he's shutout of MEC decisions. A classic stir-the-pot man!

I suppose you think ALPA has all the answers? You will learn that they don't. Kool-aid comes in two flavors - mgmt. and ALPA. I don't care for the taste of either. Apparantly you don't mind the Herndon flavor.

Sometimes the pot needs stirring. If you don't stir it, things in it will burn.

 

[ohplease!]

well said Scope.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Today I came away from picketing with my head hung down. And not just because I walked in a box pattern for 3 hours and was slightly achy after, while others walked for 5+hours. I am disappointed to be a part of a pilot group of which perhaps 2% show up for picketing, present picketers excluded. And today we had a much better show than the 15th. Picketing sucks. It is a basic demonstration of our resolve to demonstrate our desire for a better and more realistic quality of life. It demonstrates this to all interested parties. There are other ways to demonstrate this resolve but I haven't seen these from our pilot group.

Folks, management is not going to hand us a new contract on a silver platter unless it is "cost neutral" or "concessionary." We are capable of attaining a fair contract to all sides. If you want a better contract don't complain about Comair or Chautauqua. Get involved. At least do something. Start by complying with all SPs, FARs, and the POH. Yes it will take personal sacrifice, usually just a little time, but if everyone gets involved we will have a new contract last year and it's the right thing to do.

I guess the only thing that will keep me going in this career is a love for flying and a little faith that my fellow pilots will come around and have some self respect, enough self respect to realize the potential they are capable of.

Boy it was cold out there wasn't it? I was sitting all fat dumb and happy next to the fireplace trying to find any news reports about yall picketing. Guess what? I found nothing! Great unity! Caveman, I'm disappointed for yall too and I dont even work there

 

[Plug]

well said Scope.

This coming from the "village idiot", just more RJDC masterbation!

 

[Plug]

Boy it was cold out there wasn't it? I was sitting all fat dumb and happy next to the fireplace trying to find any news reports about yall picketing. Guess what? I found nothing! Great unity! Caveman, I'm disappointed for yall too and I dont even work there

Yeah it was cold out and it has also been a big news week. ASA pilots picketing took a back seat to the likes of Robert Blake, Scott Peterson, and the folks involved in the courthouse shooting in ATL last week, they were having 3 high profile services for them around the metro area. Crummy timing for us!

 

[Dude]

It's funny that "professionls" are so eager to insult one another because of their difference of opinion. There is a harsh reality that some of the drum-beaters refuse to see.........these are horrible times. I am in support of those optimists trying to go for the fence but reality says that the third and final pitch is about to be thrown. IScope is, sadly, an experienced individual that has seen not only ALPA politics first hand but been party to witch hunts and house cleanings as a result of differing opinions. If you were to ask me, I think he is one of the few that has the courage of conviction to speak his mind unapologetically. This industry is full of know-it-alls and folks are entitled to their opinion, but blast a guy because he doesn't approve of the wasteful nature ALPA spends our 2%, time and resources? Excuse me, but if a dues paying member cannot be critical of their union "leadership" then who can?


Hopefully there will be some viable improvements to our contract that will hold us over for another 6-7 years, but expecting vast improvements while EVERY carrier with a certificate is giving up is foolishly optimistic. The problem is that too many young guys are soo eager to be a Captain that they will/have sacrficed their future for a few jets and a new position. What advantage is there to upgrading when upon your arrival to that seat your pay is only marginally better than FO and you are exposed to Crew Sched, Chief Pilots and inferior QOL? This bitter cycle will eventually end either by resignation or improvments in the economy, but marching, bargaining, and bitching are doing nothing for us.

 

[ASADriver]

EXCELLENT POST SINCA3.. BRAVO

I especially like this part of what you wrote. I STRONGLY feel the same way.. We are all in this sh!t sandwich together and we need to support the only organization that is interested in bettering our lives.

Your joking right? ALPA is interested in protecting itself and the mainline. The only part of you it is interested in is 2% of your pay.

If yo dont get on board with the supporting of our Union in negotitations, our QOL and pay will not stay the same but will GO DOWN.. It is not our job as pilots for ASA to save DELTA money.. We negotiate a fair working agreement for the times and that is it... WHY SETTLE FOR LESS?

I have news for you. Our QOL and our pay will go down regardless if you go out and march with signs in your hand. ALPA has screwed up and we will all pay for it.

 

[ASADriver]

You selfish Co*$#ck Sucker.. You are not the only freaking pilot at ASA.. There are thousands of pilots here, and not everyone has your cushy little captains pay and you cushy little 500 plus lines to choose from... We are in this crap together.. we must act together...

SELFISH BASTARD

Real nice av8tor. YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY FREAKING PILOT AT ASA. Some of us aren't interested in burning the place down over a LOSING battle. I agree that we must act together - the problem is that my together and your together don't jive!

 

[ASADriver]

So in a nut shell, SHUT UP and and mind your own concessionary business..

I don't remember you minding your own business when the CMR pilots were voting on THEIR TA! You are a hypocrite!

 

[ASADriver]

Butt out of our conversation. Whores like you know nothing about trade unionism, you only know how to take care of yourselves.

I don't think ALPA knows anything about trade unionism.

 

[ASADriver]

Waah. Go anead and whine... it's the only power you have. Don't you get it? Nobody believes you, nobody takes you seriously, and nobody cares what you think. You have no credibility!

Actually, some of us do take him seriously.

 

[ASADriver]

Since you brought up ideals what are yours? Let's see, destroy mainline scope, stick together with those who so willingly stab us (ASA) in the back, and try to trample the MEC when the opportunity shows itself. Excellent ideals!

Why should we support mainline scope? It only hurts us and it doesn't even protect them. At least InSc. has the stones to tell the emperor he has no cloths. Are you telling me that our MEC supports mainline scope? There was a time that the ASA MEC supported ASA pilots. If our MEC supports mainline scope at our expense, then our MEC needs to be trampled.

 

[ASADriver]

Yeah it was cold out and it has also been a big news week. ASA pilots picketing took a back seat to the likes of Robert Blake, Scott Peterson, and the folks involved in the courthouse shooting in ATL last week, they were having 3 high profile services for them around the metro area. Crummy timing for us!

Who are you kidding. The traveling public doesn't give a rat's ass about us. All they care about is cheap fares. Keep telling yourself they care - HA! HA!

 

[ASADriver]

It's funny that "professionls" are so eager to insult one another because of their difference of opinion. There is a harsh reality that some of the drum-beaters refuse to see.........these are horrible times. I am in support of those optimists trying to go for the fence but reality says that the third and final pitch is about to be thrown. IScope is, sadly, an experienced individual that has seen not only ALPA politics first hand but been party to witch hunts and house cleanings as a result of differing opinions. If you were to ask me, I think he is one of the few that has the courage of conviction to speak his mind unapologetically. This industry is full of know-it-alls and folks are entitled to their opinion, but blast a guy because he doesn't approve of the wasteful nature ALPA spends our 2%, time and resources? Excuse me, but if a dues paying member cannot be critical of their union "leadership" then who can?


Hopefully there will be some viable improvements to our contract that will hold us over for another 6-7 years, but expecting vast improvements while EVERY carrier with a certificate is giving up is foolishly optimistic. The problem is that too many young guys are soo eager to be a Captain that they will/have sacrficed their future for a few jets and a new position. What advantage is there to upgrading when upon your arrival to that seat your pay is only marginally better than FO and you are exposed to Crew Sched, Chief Pilots and inferior QOL? This bitter cycle will eventually end either by resignation or improvments in the economy, but marching, bargaining, and bitching are doing nothing for us.

Well said Dude. I admire those who stand up for what they believe even if it goes against the establishment. Incl. Sc. stands up to both sides and I admire him for it. He takes a lot of heat for what he says, but I don't see any other reps. saying much on the ALPA boards.

 

[av8tor4239]

but marching, bargaining, and bitching are doing nothing for us.

Dude,

You are absolutly wrong in this statement. Imagine hypothetically if 1500 of our 1700ish pilots showed up to an ALPA MEC sponsored event such as informational picketing.. I think the ASA and Delta management would get off thier a$$, and get to the bargaining table pretty quick. Not to mention stop the violations of our current book. That is all we are asking for..

All you RJDC guys are wound so freaking tight your eyeballs are about to pop out. The pilot group and the MEC are not trying to bankrupt this place. Most of the slow negotiations are over cleaning up the language we already have.. Inclusive Scope, ASA Driver, and the rest of you coat-tail riders are in this bizzar mindset that the pilots of ASA and the ASA MEC wants to shut down the airline...NO ONE WANTS TO SHUT ANYTHING DOWN.

NEXT:

Real nice av8tor. YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY FREAKING PILOT AT ASA. Some of us aren't interested in burning the place down over a LOSING battle. I agree that we must act together - the problem is that my together and your together don't jive!

I repete.. No one want to strike.. no one wants to be out of job. How do you think that we got to where we are now? Do you think that these things are easy? Generations of men and women aviators before you or me have put it down on the line for us to have what we have now. They did not accept status quo, or unjustified concessions, even in hard times.

P.S. ASA Driver.. I am not trying nor will I ever be nice to anyone that is willing to lay down and have the company walk all over them, or to anyone that will ride the coat tails of those of us that are willing to get out there and get the job done.

 

[ohplease!]

You selfish Co*$#ck Sucker.. You are not the only freaking pilot at ASA.. There are thousands of pilots here, and not everyone has your cushy little captains pay and you cushy little 500 plus lines to choose from... We are in this crap together.. we must act together...

SELFISH BASTARD

too bad this is all anonymous. I'd sure love to meet you... and a couple of your pretty friends too

 

[ohplease!]

peckerhead.

 

[av8tor4239]

I will make you a deal.. I will meet you, but it will have to be at the next MEC sponsored event where we carry signs and walk in circles to promote the QOL of the ASA pilot.

Oh wait, I am sorry I forgot.. you must have a spine to participate (kind of hard to walk in circles for hours without one) so I guess that elimiates you.. Sorry bud

 

[ohplease!]

puss**y

 

[av8tor4239]

puss**y

Good one.. got any more?

 

[ohplease!]

nah..I've wasted enough time on you sissy.