ASA Picket 17th

[BlackCoffee]

9 a.m. Holiday Inn Virginia Ave. across from the Taco Bell. No excusses to rag on Comair if you don't show!

 

[FmrFreightDog]

9 a.m. Holiday Inn Virginia Ave. across from the Taco Bell. No excusses to rag on Comair if you don't show!

Sure there are. How about, "I'm working".

I think we should have tried to spread the picketing out a bit. Way to large of a percentage of our pilot group is working both days.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

i guess ill be watching yall on the news then tomorrow

have fun in the cold

ill be sittin by the fire give em hell

GET-R-DONE

 

[captain caveman]

There'll be more picketing later. See you there.

 

[P38JLightning]

shock and awe (and stuff)

Sure there are. How about, "I'm working".

I think we should have tried to spread the picketing out a bit. Way to large of a percentage of our pilot group is working both days.

Its frustrating when your'e working and can't make a big event. But picketing is important. Comair had 200-400 pilots show up for several meetings over the years. You can do it too.

100 pilots picketing at once is more impressive than 10 a day for 10 days.

 

[doh]

I'll be flying, but see you on the news!

 

[Newjetjockey]

You should try picketing at the airport instead of the Holiday Inn....Unless its the patrons at the Taco Bell whose attention you're trying to get. Then yes, definitely the Holiday Inn.

 

[MetroSheriff]

You should try picketing at the airport instead of the Holiday Inn....Unless its the patrons at the Taco Bell whose attention you're trying to get. Then yes, definitely the Holiday Inn.

Holiday Inn is the staging point. Picketing is at the 'drome.

 

[Ted Striker]

If anyone wants to get more pissed off, read today's newsnet. Terry "Ha Ha" Hayes talks about how ALPA is being unreasonable and the company would love for us to advance the rest of our items so they could get on with the contract. What a f%&*ing douchebag!!! Chuckie Thibadeaux and Terry "I'm a homo" Hayes need to follow Drew out the door. Scumbags.

 

[ifly4food]

Well, does it really matter? Less than ten pilots showed up on the 15th.

I guess the ASA pilots really don't care about a new contract. The pilots who keep showing up to this stuff are the same 10 or 20 every time, and we can't carry the weight on our shoulders forever.

ASA pilots, the endgame is approaching. This year we will vote to strike or not. Do not sit by and wait for your peers to "make it happen", get out there and do something. No more excuses.

 

[ohplease!]

The next time you same 10 or 20 show up, tell whoever has something to do with negotiations to work out a contract that is in line with everyone else in our industry, at our same level (regionals), and the rest of us might show some support!

As long as you keep asking for all this outrageous S**t, you won't see me anywhere near you guys!

commute and want some clause? too bad. move here!!!!
want to make $200/hr to fly an RJ? too bad. won't work!
want everyone to have 20 days off/month? tuff titty.
want the co. to fund your retirement? not going to happen (at any co. anymore). you must step up to that plate and swing the bat yourself...

Do something REALISTIC about scheduling, bring me in line with my peers in pay, come up with some ways to help ensure our co.'s survival and growth and make that DAM*ED computer to stop calling my house....You'll have my FULL support! Including walking in circles holding a sign.

For those of you who'll automatically dismiss me as mgmt. or flame....I'm an RJ capt. flying the line, been here 6 years, plan to not leave ASA (I'm not even 40 yet), am pretty happy with my job over all, haven't had koolaide in years (co. or otherwise).

If you still think I'm an idiot...look at how many of you nerds showed up to picket. I assure you I'M NOT THE ONE STANDING BY MYSELF AND 10 "FRIENDS".

 

[MetroSheriff]

The next time you same 10 or 20 show up, tell whoever has something to do with negotiations to work out a contract that is in line with everyone else in our industry, at our same level (regionals), and the rest of us might show some support!

As long as you keep asking for all this outrageous S**t, you won't see me anywhere near you guys!

commute and want some clause? too bad. move here!!!!
want to make $200/hr to fly an RJ? too bad. won't work!
want everyone to have 20 days off/month? tuff titty.
want the co. to fund your retirement? not going to happen (at any co. anymore). you must step up to that plate and swing the bat yourself...

Do something REALISTIC about scheduling, bring me in line with my peers in pay, come up with some ways to help ensure our co.'s survival and growth and make that DAM*ED computer to stop calling my house....You'll have my FULL support! Including walking in circles holding a sign.

For those of you who'll automatically dismiss me as mgmt. or flame....I'm an RJ capt. flying the line, been here 6 years, plan to not leave ASA (I'm not even 40 yet), am pretty happy with my job over all, haven't had koolaide in years (co. or otherwise).

If you still think I'm an idiot...look at how many of you nerds showed up to picket. I assure you I'M NOT THE ONE STANDING BY MYSELF AND 10 "FRIENDS".

We're toast. Comair's LOA isn't going to sink us. It is our own ignorant pilots that think opur negotiators are asking for 200 an hour with 20 days off.

Oh Please, if that is what you think is going on in negotiations than you are dumber than you sound. If that is what you think, than stay home and wait to vote yes on the first POS TA that mgt throws your way.

You sound like a mgt shill, but I will take your word for it that you are line dog. Pretty sad stuff.

 

[Ted Striker]

If you still think I'm an idiot...

I do. Probably the biggest idiot I have ever read on here. No one is asking for $200 an hour to fly the RJ. No one is asking for 20 days off a month. The only things we are asking are some quality of life issues, some improvements in efficiency (which would also help the company, by the way) and a pay raise in line with what everyone else is doing. That's what is so frustrating with the way we are being treated by management. They act like we are asking for the moon, when in reality it's nothing that other regionals aren't already doing.

Not only are you an idiot, you're a misinformed idiot.

 

[BlackCoffee]

Ohplease, you are the problem with this industry. You are a pencil neck geek from Auburn that has no balls.

 

[Sinca3]

The next time you same 10 or 20 show up, tell whoever has something to do with negotiations to work out a contract that is in line with everyone else in our industry, at our same level (regionals), and the rest of us might show some support!

As long as you keep asking for all this outrageous S**t, you won't see me anywhere near you guys!

commute and want some clause? too bad. move here!!!!
want to make $200/hr to fly an RJ? too bad. won't work!
want everyone to have 20 days off/month? tuff titty.
want the co. to fund your retirement? not going to happen (at any co. anymore). you must step up to that plate and swing the bat yourself...

Do something REALISTIC about scheduling, bring me in line with my peers in pay, come up with some ways to help ensure our co.'s survival and growth and make that DAM*ED computer to stop calling my house....You'll have my FULL support! Including walking in circles holding a sign.

For those of you who'll automatically dismiss me as mgmt. or flame....I'm an RJ capt. flying the line, been here 6 years, plan to not leave ASA (I'm not even 40 yet), am pretty happy with my job over all, haven't had koolaide in years (co. or otherwise).

If you still think I'm an idiot...look at how many of you nerds showed up to picket. I assure you I'M NOT THE ONE STANDING BY MYSELF AND 10 "FRIENDS".

You are happy with the status quo?!?!! You like the current rules?
If so I hope to god I never find out who you are and then run into you at work while you are whining and complaining. I won't let you hear the last of it.
It's people like you that bring the industry down or at he bare minimum don't help it get better!
Do you even know what ASA negotiators are asking for? If so you are among only about 8-10 people that do. If that's the case disreagard my rant below....
You are a complete idiot!!!! I don't know where to begin. First off if negotiators at any company went in asking for the status quo they would get below that. Therefore when you negotiate you go in asking for more and negotiate to meet somewhere in the middle of what each side wants. I can garuantee you that ASA negotiators are well aware of the status of our industry. They know what ASA/DAL can and can't afford. They will get the best contract they can with the help of the pilot group. That brings me to my next point.....If a cop walked into a bank robbery with out any ammo in his gun and the robbers knew this do you think they would stop the robbery and walk out? Probably not, so you see where this analougy is going. ALPA is a gun used to uphold and negotiate contracts. Without the help of the pilots it would be like waving an empty gun around. Managment knows this and measures our resolve by tthe turn outs at events like this (picketing).
People like you are a plague to the industry and need to be beat down. Am I pro union, only because I have to be. If I had the choice I would like to think pilots could do better without a union but it just isn't true. If you think otherwise please prove it to me.
I hope that ASA pilots will get off there a$$es and show some resolve. Otherwise we are contributing to the downward spiral of this great industry.

 

[av8tor4239]

Am I pro union, only because I have to be. If I had the choice I would like to think pilots could do better without a union but it just isn't true. .

EXCELLENT POST SINCA3.. BRAVO

I especially like this part of what you wrote. I STRONGLY feel the same way.. We are all in this sh!t sandwich together and we need to support the only organization that is interested in bettering our lives.

I think that OH PLEASE's post represents a lot more pilots at this company than we thought.

If you are reading this and you agree with what Oh Please has written in his previous post, I have a message for you...

If yo dont get on board with the supporting of our Union in negotitations, our QOL and pay will not stay the same but will GO DOWN.. It is not our job as pilots for ASA to save DELTA money.. We negotiate a fair working agreement for the times and that is it... WHY SETTLE FOR LESS?

 

[av8tor4239]

For those of you who'll automatically dismiss me as mgmt. or flame....I'm an RJ capt. flying the line, been here 6 years, plan to not leave ASA (I'm not even 40 yet), am pretty happy with my job over all, haven't had koolaide in years (co. or otherwise).

If you still think I'm an idiot...look at how many of you nerds showed up to picket. I assure you I'M NOT THE ONE STANDING BY MYSELF AND 10 "FRIENDS".

You selfish Co*$#ck Sucker.. You are not the only freaking pilot at ASA.. There are thousands of pilots here, and not everyone has your cushy little captains pay and you cushy little 500 plus lines to choose from... We are in this crap together.. we must act together...

SELFISH BASTARD

 

[captain caveman]

Today I came away from picketing with my head hung down. And not just because I walked in a box pattern for 3 hours and was slightly achy after, while others walked for 5+hours. I am disappointed to be a part of a pilot group of which perhaps 2% show up for picketing, present picketers excluded. And today we had a much better show than the 15th. Picketing sucks. It is a basic demonstration of our resolve to demonstrate our desire for a better and more realistic quality of life. It demonstrates this to all interested parties. There are other ways to demonstrate this resolve but I haven't seen these from our pilot group.

Folks, management is not going to hand us a new contract on a silver platter unless it is "cost neutral" or "concessionary." We are capable of attaining a fair contract to all sides. If you want a better contract don't complain about Comair or Chautauqua. Get involved. At least do something. Start by complying with all SPs, FARs, and the POH. Yes it will take personal sacrifice, usually just a little time, but if everyone gets involved we will have a new contract last year and it's the right thing to do.

I guess the only thing that will keep me going in this career is a love for flying and a little faith that my fellow pilots will come around and have some self respect, enough self respect to realize the potential they are capable of.

 

[pianoman]

I think oh please is just trolling for flames. Go get em and remember negotiations are a marathon not a sprint. (Which you probably know better than any of us) All of us are behind you.

 

[MetroSheriff]

I think oh please is just trolling for flames. Go get em and remember negotiations are a marathon not a sprint. (Which you probably know better than any of us) All of us are behind you.

My guess is that it is some management shill over at the Puzzle Palace just trying to stir the pot.

 

[Wacopilot]

ASA.

Looks like our(cmr) little pay freeze is the least of your worries. It doesn't matter if we made 25% more than you, if 2% is all the support you can get from the group your negotiating muscle is extinct. Good luck.

Waco

 

[FL000]

ASA.

Looks like our(cmr) little pay freeze is the least of your worries. It doesn't matter if we made 25% more than you, if 2% is all the support you can get from the group your negotiating muscle is extinct. Good luck.

Waco

Why do you keep trying to justify or mitigate your blink?

 

[av8tor4239]

WACO... You are a moron.. This has nothing to do with Concessionair anymore... YOu and your Yes vote assured that you did not want to support our negotiations... Now we are going to have to come up with a different strategy to get our own guys out in the cold to walk in circles for hours.

So in a nut shell, SHUT UP and and mind your own concessionary business..

 

[ifly4food]

The next time you same 10 or 20 show up, tell whoever has something to do with negotiations to work out a contract that is in line with everyone else in our industry, at our same level (regionals), and the rest of us might show some support!

As long as you keep asking for all this outrageous S**t, you won't see me anywhere near you guys!

commute and want some clause? too bad. move here!!!!
want to make $200/hr to fly an RJ? too bad. won't work!
want everyone to have 20 days off/month? tuff titty.
want the co. to fund your retirement? not going to happen (at any co. anymore). you must step up to that plate and swing the bat yourself...

Do something REALISTIC about scheduling, bring me in line with my peers in pay, come up with some ways to help ensure our co.'s survival and growth and make that DAM*ED computer to stop calling my house....You'll have my FULL support! Including walking in circles holding a sign.

For those of you who'll automatically dismiss me as mgmt. or flame....I'm an RJ capt. flying the line, been here 6 years, plan to not leave ASA (I'm not even 40 yet), am pretty happy with my job over all, haven't had koolaide in years (co. or otherwise).

If you still think I'm an idiot...look at how many of you nerds showed up to picket. I assure you I'M NOT THE ONE STANDING BY MYSELF AND 10 "FRIENDS".

Thanks for the flamebait. I'm picturing some pimple faced freshman at AU whose Delta pilot daddy told him we make too much money for a bunch of scooter trash.

If you're really who you say you are, Get a life. You should know that we are not asking for $200 an hour or a pension. Quit believing everything management tells you. Get involved and find out for yourself.

 

[InclusiveScope]

Thanks for the flamebait. I'm picturing some pimple faced freshman at AU whose Delta pilot daddy told him we make too much money for a bunch of scooter trash.

If you're really who you say you are, Get a life. You should know that we are not asking for $200 an hour or a pension. Quit believing everything management tells you. Get involved and find out for yourself.

Ifly4food,

Some of us who have been involved for longer than you, disagree with our current MEC and their approach. We need to either accept the fact that we are simply a lose association of independent contractors rather than a union, or we need to change the way the union does business. Status quo is a waste of time grasshopper.

 

[ifly4food]

ASA.

Looks like our(cmr) little pay freeze is the least of your worries. It doesn't matter if we made 25% more than you, if 2% is all the support you can get from the group your negotiating muscle is extinct. Good luck.

Waco

Butt out of our conversation. Whores like you know nothing about trade unionism, you only know how to take care of yourselves.

 

[InclusiveScope]

WACO... You are a moron.. This has nothing to do with Concessionair anymore... YOu and your Yes vote assured that you did not want to support our negotiations... Now we are going to have to come up with a different strategy to get our own guys out in the cold to walk in circles for hours.

So in a nut shell, SHUT UP and and mind your own concessionary business..

This is exactly the problem - we are doomed and no amount of walking in circles will change this ignorance.

 

[ifly4food]

Ifly4food,

Some of us who have been involved for longer than you, disagree with our current MEC and their approach. We need to either accept the fact that we are simply a lose association of independent contractors rather than a union, or we need to change the way the union does business. Status quo is a waste of time grasshopper.

I do realize this. And why does every post you make here or on the ALPA board have the condescending tone of how much longer you've been here?

As big as your mouth is, I don't see you doing a whole lot to support your ideals. I understand that you and your group want our MEC to settle now and go back in a few years. You are a very vocal minority, and our union leadership caters to the majority. The Wilson polls show that the majority of pilots support the MEC and support the negotiation agenda. Enough said.

I suggest that you rally your supporters and start a recall if you don't like the way your MEC is running things. If you're unable or unwilling to do that, then continue to sit on the sidelines and bitc* about why nobody cares what you think!

 

[InclusiveScope]

Butt out of our conversation. Whores like you know nothing about trade unionism, you only know how to take care of yourselves.

Way out of line, but not surprising coming from you. I hope our MEC doesn't think like you, but if they do you can count me out of any support for our MEC. You speak of "trade unionism", however you forget that ALPA is not really a trade union. I am not interested in acting like a "trade unionist" in what is really a lose association of independent contractors.

 

[ifly4food]

WACO... You are a moron.. This has nothing to do with Concessionair anymore... YOu and your Yes vote assured that you did not want to support our negotiations... Now we are going to have to come up with a different strategy to get our own guys out in the cold to walk in circles for hours.

So in a nut shell, SHUT UP and and mind your own concessionary business..

I'm not aware of the MEC changing its negotiating strategy due to Comair. In fact, I have heard that it's D*mn Comair, full speed ahead,