ASA or XJT?

[wt219200]

I know the plan is to be merged by the end of the year, but if given a choice of either upcoming class which would you pick?

 

[Max Q]

I'd be a male nurse.

 

[goahead]

Whatever base you want to live in

 

[SPDBRD747400]

Lot S

 

[Baronman]

Depends which "Bubba" variety you identify with best. Southern Georgia boy with the Bieber cut or big Texan Gomer Pile look-alike.

 

[badog]

Depends which "Bubba" variety you identify with best. Southern Georgia boy with the Bieber cut or big Texan Gomer Pile look-alike.

:beer:
That is truly funny!
This industry SUCKS! I would recommend x ray tech or something more stable, better pay and home every night.

 

[OCP]

If you have a base you might like better for each airline, start there. Not sure about XJT, but ASA junior base will either be IAD or DTW. You will be on reserve so XJTs reserve is MUCH better than ASA's. That alone would make me prefer there, as I have just done 3.5 years under ASA's.

 

[Flyguy1226]

I'd go to XJT for now. The ASA reserve rules absolutely suck!

 

[wt219200]

I'd go to XJT for now. The ASA reserve rules absolutely suck!

How much different?

 

[Jags1]

I'd go to the place that gets you on the list sooner. "Seniority is everything"

 

[Baronman]

How much different?

I'd have to check the contracts...Some nice things at XJT, as a reserve you can aggressively pick up trips the day prior to your reserve days (giving you at least some control over your schedule).

Not sure how airport standby goes at ASA, but at XJT it's never back-to-back, never on the last day of rsv, and is only 4 hours.

At XJT when you're done with a trip (RSV), you don't have to call in to scheduling.

 

[Flyguy1226]

How much different?

You're pretty much crew schedulings bitch! You have to call them pretty much about anything.

What else...

-Short call is 12 hrs, plus an additional 3 hrs by phone.
-Long Call is 24/7 on call with 12 hr callout.
-Ready/Airport reserve is 8 hrs for 4 hrs. of pay.
-They can put you on an 1 hr airport standby after a trip.
-Can't pick up open time on reserve.

 

[OCP]

None of that is at ASA. Airport reserve is 8 hrs. You only get paid for 4. You can get it as many times in a row as your position in h bucket allows. You can sit for 7:59 and get called to do a trip that starts 1 hr after that. You are required to call to get released from reserve. You cannot pick anything up your self on reserve.

 

[wt219200]

None of that is at ASA. Airport reserve is 8 hrs. You only get paid for 4. You can get it as many times in a row as your position in h bucket allows. You can sit for 7:59 and get called to do a trip that starts 1 hr after that. You are required to call to get released from reserve. You cannot pick anything up your self on reserve.

Seems you confirmed some of it and only changed reserve from 12 to 8 hours. So what is not at ASA?

 

[Ted]

Go to Home Depot. Become a manager in a few years. Make more $$$ and be home every night.

 

[OCP]

Seems you confirmed some of it and only changed reserve from 12 to 8 hours. So what is not at ASA?

Your post just made it in before mine. It wasnt a reply to yours.

 

[wt219200]

Your post just made it in before mine. It wasnt a reply to yours.

Sorry should have seen that. Thanks for the reply

 

[wt219200]

Go to Home Depot. Become a manager in a few years. Make more $$$ and be home every night.

Thanks for your input Ted. I hadn't thought of getting a different job. And at Home Depot no less. Haven't heard that one before.

Can I get a letter of rec from you?

 

[dojetdriver]

How much different?

I've read the two contracts side by side. And the reserve rules in the XJT CBA are better. I'm sure some senior ASA CA who didn't sit reserve, much less in the FO seat is going to come on here and flame me, as well as tell me that the ASA CBA is better.

Sorry, it's just not.

The ONLY thing that the ASA contract has reserve wise that is better than XJT's is that a long call reserve pilot CAN'T sit airport standby, even if converted to shortcall. At XJT, a long call reserve pilot can.

 

[ASABound]

Do jet, you are exactly right.

 

[Ted]

I've read the two contracts side by side. And the reserve rules in the XJT CBA are better. I'm sure some senior ASA CA who didn't sit reserve, much less in the FO seat is going to come on here and flame me, as well as tell me that the ASA CBA is better.

Sorry, it's just not.

The ONLY thing that the ASA contract has reserve wise that is better than XJT's is that a long call reserve pilot CAN'T sit airport standby, even if converted to shortcall. At XJT, a long call reserve pilot can.

+1 on that.

I sat in ORD crew lounge all afternoon yesterday. XJT guys pretty much laugh at our contract. They know they have it pretty good, though.

 

[Hypoxik]

I wouldn't say pretty good

We just have what we fought for in Contract 2004.

 

[Ted]

OK, well the consensus was that in terms of the contract, the XJT one is certainly preferable to the ASA one. There are a few good things in ours, though.

 

[www.]

I know the plan is to be merged by the end of the year, but if given a choice of either upcoming class which would you pick?

BAh ha ha ha ha That's a good one.

 

[OCP]

OK, well the consensus was that in terms of the contract, the XJT one is certainly preferable to the ASA one. There are a few good things in ours, though.

In ASA's? What is better? XJT's contract is from 2004.

 

[crj567]

XJET's is much, much better! The language is not crappy, and there are some good aspects I sincerely hope we can preserve.

-Watch out- Our mgmt. is real good at putting a happy face on adverse relations. many around here have been fooled into thinking they are our best pals. Watch what they DO, not what they SAY. You will very soon see how untrustworthy they truly are.

 

[dojetdriver]

In ASA's? What is better? XJT's contract is from 2004.

With exception of the point I made above, sections of hours of service, scheduling (line holders and reserve), hourly compensation, sick time accrual rate, B fund, 401K match, vacation flexibility, add pay, trip trading, bad day-worse day trades, etc.