ASA Open Time

[PFD1]

Did I see that right...almost 8,000 hrs of open time total for Sept. That explains the almost 100 relief lines! (Capt almost 4,000 hrs and FO a little over 4,000 hrs.)

 

[PFD1]

And thats only on the 200.

 

[Blucher]

What's also somewhat interesting is that if you look in CrewTrac open time, there's never anything in there anymore (there used to be). Although, they are currently pulling instructors out of sims to fly trips and drafting CP's to cover line flying. Could it be we've come full circle with our scheduling department? Are they once again more concerned with having 'control' over information rather than properly staffing to the detriment of the entire operation? The ghost of Willie rides again!

-Blucher:erm:

 

[Sinca3]

I pointed this out in an earlier thread! Isn't there something in our contract that states how many lines and how much open time etc etc?

 

[PFD1]

"the Company may withhold up to four percent (4%) of known flying in each position. All remaining trips will be placed in initial open time."

 

[sweptback]

I pointed this out in an earlier thread! Isn't there something in our contract that states how many lines and how much open time etc etc?

B. Preparation of Bid Package

1. Line Construction

a. All known flying for the following month shall be constructed into trips and then into regular lines, except the Company may withhold up to four percent (4%) of known flying in each position. All remaining trips will be placed in initial open time.

 

[PFD1]

The key word there is KNOWN flying...they can say that they didn't know about it due to DAL being late with the sched. And there is no rule that I know of on how many relief lines. Just Reserve lines.

 

[scarlet]

ASA MGT. at its best!!!!

 

[TOOL CRIB]

I know some of the reserves for this month already have trips assigned a few weeks in advance (I checked this a week or so ago)

 

[goahead]

No we don't.
REL yes
RES no

 

[Tomct]

Noone should pick up ANY open time. Let the company fall all over itself and get screwed!! Give us our new contract and we MIGHT pick up open time!

 

[goahead]

With 104 REL they won't have any problem getting rid of it. That's 39 hrs per line..............

 

[ASA_Willy]

I know some of the reserves for this month already have trips assigned a few weeks in advance (I checked this a week or so ago)

It'd be grievance material if they do.

13.M.2.g. A reserve pilot may not be assigned to a trip which is scheduled to depart more than seventy-two (72) hours from the assignment time.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

It'd be grievance material if they do.

13.M.2.g. A reserve pilot may not be assigned to a trip which is scheduled to depart more than seventy-two (72) hours from the assignment time.

As long as they haven't notified you, it isn't grievance material. They can "plan ahead" (oxymoron that it is...) as much as they want, but until they notify a reserve pilot of a trip outside of 72 hours it isn't a contract violation.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

I must have been looking at a relief guy then. But I was pretty sure I saw GDO in there somewhere. Maybe it was someone else...

 

[PFD1]

What happens if you self notify yourself on crew trac?? Then what is it?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

What happens if you self notify yourself on crew trac?? Then what is it?

It is something totally unaddressed by the contract. If you ever self notify for ANYTHING you are in an extra-contractual realm and may well find yourself in a situation where you are uncovered by the contract. I've not heard of anything relating to notification yet, but there have been mulitple problems with open time & FLICA. Long story short.... company screws someone out of an open time request improperly and the request was made via FLICA, then it's not a contractual item.... ergo no protection.....

FLICA is convenient (amazingly so... I have zero problem with paying for it.) Crewtrac is similarly convenient. Just know that if you interact with the company via electronic means you may not have your contract to fall back on.

 

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[Copydat]

Self notification sounds like something done with a girlie magazine in one hand.

 

[ASA_Willy]

As long as they haven't notified you, it isn't grievance material. They can "plan ahead" (oxymoron that it is...) as much as they want, but until they notify a reserve pilot of a trip outside of 72 hours it isn't a contract violation.

Have to disagree with you on this one. They can plan to give it to someone on reserve, but they have to make it available as future open time until 72 hours prior. If they put it into someone's schedule on Crewtrac, it would drop out of the open time pot. The grievance would be with the pilots who did not have a chance to pick it up out of the open time pot.


"13.G.1.a. Future open time shall include charters, flying not included in the lines, flying remaining uncovered after the completion of the Revised Schedule and award of the Line Completion Bid pursuant to paragraphs E. and F., above, plus all additional flying that becomes available throughout the month but not including any open time that may be withheld pursuant to paragraph B.1.a., above, and that is scheduled to depart more than seventy-two (72) hours in the future."

 

[Long Time Gone]

......Although, they are currently pulling instructors out of sims to fly trips and drafting CP's to cover line flying.
-Blucher:erm:

Then you have the situations where the IPs take trips (or portions there of) without necessity 'cause they "just want to fly", yet there's plenty in open time.

 

[legalalien]

IP's are welcome to take any/all of my trips that they want!

 

[atrdriver]

As long as they haven't notified you, it isn't grievance material. They can "plan ahead" (oxymoron that it is...) as much as they want, but until they notify a reserve pilot of a trip outside of 72 hours it isn't a contract violation.

Actually it is. The trip cannot be pulled out of open time and assigned to a pilot more than 72 hours in advance whether the notification has been made or not. I had several situations where a trip I was trying to get disappeared, for that reason, and it was ultimatly undone and given to me.

 

[Blucher]

Actually it is. The trip cannot be pulled out of open time and assigned to a pilot more than 72 hours in advance whether the notification has been made or not. I had several situations where a trip I was trying to get disappeared, for that reason, and it was ultimatly undone and given to me.

For all you line holders out there, keep a close eye on what you see in Flica open time vs. what you see on CrewTrac open time. They frequently do not match up. Like I suggested before, this is just another examply of the "triple M's" working their magic (Middle Management Morons) again, to the detriment of the entire organization.

-Blucheruke:

 

[scarlet]

Since when do we have 3 sim events in 9 months??? I thought we only had to do sim every 6 months. ASA is making us be in the sim more often for some reason...anyone noticed

Was in the sim Dec 28th May 16th and Sept 18th. most likely again in march..so in 14 months in the sim 4 times????

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Actually it is. The trip cannot be pulled out of open time and assigned to a pilot more than 72 hours in advance whether the notification has been made or not. I had several situations where a trip I was trying to get disappeared, for that reason, and it was ultimatly undone and given to me.

As it has been explained to me from scheduling, it is possible in the Crewtrac software to tentatively assign a trip to a reserve at any point in time without having that trip drop out of open time. This, obviously, sucks for all involved but is not a contract violation.

Example: Trip A4123 on 27 Aug. is tentatively assigned to reserve pilot Chuck "Suck my butt" Viers...... The trip remains in open time for the 23 Aug. Open Time bid and Carl "Call me Nancy" Childree bids on it. If he is awarded the trip it is then removed from "fondle my butt" Viers schedule and placed on "tickle my nuts" Childree's schedule.

Is this how it really goes? Maybe. Is it impossible to refute from a grievance standpoint?? Yep.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

As it has been explained to me from scheduling, it is possible in the Crewtrac software to tentatively assign a trip to a reserve at any point in time without having that trip drop out of open time. This, obviously, sucks for all involved but is not a contract violation.

Sounds like BS on the part of scheduling. I've heard some hum dingers come from their ilk when they thought there they might have goofed. Last time I caught my old company on one, they yanked the trip and gave it to me. I have to wonder what they told the other guy.

 

[Sinca3]

As it has been explained to me from scheduling, it is possible in the Crewtrac software to tentatively assign a trip to a reserve at any point in time without having that trip drop out of open time. This, obviously, sucks for all involved but is not a contract violation.

Example: Trip A4123 on 27 Aug. is tentatively assigned to reserve pilot Chuck "Suck my butt" Viers...... The trip remains in open time for the 23 Aug. Open Time bid and Carl "Call me Nancy" Childree bids on it. If he is awarded the trip it is then removed from "fondle my butt" Viers schedule and placed on "tickle my nuts" Childree's schedule.

Is this how it really goes? Maybe. Is it impossible to refute from a grievance standpoint?? Yep.

Now that there's funny!!!

 

[John Pennekamp]

I love how you read this thread and see all of the loopholes managment uses to screw us out of our contract. "Not required to STAFF", "all KNOWN flying".

Maybe if they spent half as much time and money supervising the ramp and taking care of the employees as they spend finding ways around our contract, this company wouldn't be in last place in every category... including employee morale. Angry employees make for angry customers. Why don't they understand that?

 

[ReportCanoa]

Maybe if they spent half as much time and money supervising the ramp and taking care of the employees as they spend finding ways around our contract, this company wouldn't be in last place in every category... including employee morale.

Yeah didn't they frequently colaborate on ways to violate the contract, like the three naps in a row without days off or whatever it was.

They waste brain power at the GO to come up with garbage like that that saves them what- like a hundred bucks, and meanwhile planes aren't getting parked burning thousands and probably more.

Clowns.