ASA Mgmt and ALPA meeting

[Crash Pad]

Update. Went to the ALPA lunch. They said Skywest is in a Union vote now. Three month process... They danced around the question but the short story is don't expect anything for at least three months.

The company doesn't want the union so they can't give anything.

The Union can't take anything that isn't sweet (and by sweet I mean totally awesome)

Everyone calm down you have a three month wait at the least.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Update. Went to the ALPA lunch. They said Skywest is in a Union vote now. Three month process... They danced around the question but the short story is don't expect anything for at least three months.

The company doesn't want the union so they can't give anything.

The Union can't take anything that isn't sweet (and by sweet I mean totally awesome)

Everyone calm down you have a three month wait at the least.

As I said..... the ASA pilots are pawns in a game between Jerry and ALPA.... It is up to the ASA pilots if they want to be used as pawns.....

 

[ASAFOE120]

If such great progress was made in the last rounds of negotiations, then why didnt they meet the full 4 days? Nothing will get done until there is a deadline in place.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Exactly. You guys are making a bigger deal about this than it actually is. The issues were close to TA'd, and all the concepts were agreed upon. However, the language had to be run past each sides' lawyers. The final drafts will be reviewed and signed, and then the sections will be TA'd.

There is no negotiating taking place here. All the negotiating has been completed. All this is a signing of documents, similar to a grievance settlement or the like.

Thanks for the update, Mank.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Would it be so difficult to put this out to the pilots? I asked an ALPA rep. why they haven't put this out, and they said they want the pilots to remain pissed so that they keep up the safety campaign. YGTBSM! If progress was made, and if we are meeting then tell us. Don't treat us like darn mushrooms by feeding us sht and keeping us in the dark.

I find this extremely hard to believe that an ALPA rep would actually say this, given their knowledge of the legal ramifications of admitting to an organized status quo violation.

Please pm me the initials of this rep so that it can be followed up on. Our reps don't need to be saying stupid things like this in public. Sometimes their rhetoric escapes better judgment.

 

[79%N1]

Im guessing NT

 

[Tomct]

Well if they are going to wait 3 months....their performance is going to be soooo bad, DELTA will kick their ARSES!!! Remember everyone, KEEP FLYING/OPERATING SAFE!!! NO MERCY!!!! BRING THEM TOO THEIR KNEE'S!!!!

Oh and Joe...SCREW YOU...YOU MGMNT LOVIN DIRTBAG!

 

[GeekMaster]

I find this extremely hard to believe that an ALPA rep would actually say this, given their knowledge of the legal ramifications of admitting to an organized status quo violation.

Please pm me the initials of this rep so that it can be followed up on. Our reps don't need to be saying stupid things like this in public. Sometimes their rhetoric escapes better judgment.

Chances are the "alpa rep" is more like a P2P. You would be surprised at how many pilots "perceive" them as ALPA officials. But, remember, P2P's include all walks of life INCLUDING the likes of "the palm" himself.

 

[PCL_128]

I am more concerned about how ALPA is going to deal with the portfolio whipsaw.... they got a plan yet????

Do you?

 

[sweptback]

Thanks for the update, Mank.

Hey Will, I'm not Mank. Just somebody that's a P2P...

 

[WWEfan]

So I'm at the ALPA Job fair today and I hear some ALPA reps. talking about meeting with management this week. Sounds like they are meeting to finalize some language that was agreed to in the last negotiations. Why doesn't either side tell us about this? If we are meeting this week to finalize language that was agreed to, we should be informed. Sounds like some progress was made, so why the big secret? Give us this information.

So if you heard them talking"ALPA reps", why didn't you go up to them and ask what it was all about? Instead you decide to go home and complain on here?

Don't you think if there was anything that has changed the dynamics of the negotiations they would tell us?

 

[John Pennekamp]

Chances are the "alpa rep" is more like a P2P. You would be surprised at how many pilots "perceive" them as ALPA officials. But, remember, P2P's include all walks of life INCLUDING the likes of "the palm" himself.

HEY! You mess with "The Palm", you get the WHOLE HAND!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

HEY! You mess with "The Palm", you get the WHOLE HAND!

That's pretty funny.

 

[goahead]

Seriously, 50% of ALL SKYW pilots have to vote yes to pass the vote not just 50% of those that voted, this lowers the chances dramatically. Don't think it's going to happen........

 

[JoeMerchant]

Do you?

Yes I do, but ALPA cheerleaders such as yourself say it is "unworkable"..... It requires real "brand scope" or "inclusive scope" negotiated as part of mainline PWA...

In another thread, you promoted the Braniff scope language that said " all Braniff flying will be done by Braniff pilots on the Braniff seniority list"... The funny thing is, that is exactly what ASA and CMR tried to do with the PID in 2000.......... ALPA didn't support trying to bring a single list on the DAL property and we actually had leverage then..... What happened?