ASA MEC response to loss of aircraft

[Flyguy1226]

GL,

I'm all for you taking back Delta flying. What bothers me greatly is how the almighty D has added yet another regional to the fray. The race to the bottom literally continues. Unlike Joe, I am unwilling to give up more to maintain the status quo. My hope is that one day we cease to exist because our pilots are needed at Delta, or other mainline carriers. This place sucks, and I can't wait until I get to leave for greener pastures. But until then, I will continue to push for a contract that makes life for my family and I more livable. Any sane man in this situation would do the same.

Amen!!!

 

[On Your Six]

GL,

I'm all for you taking back Delta flying. What bothers me greatly is how the almighty D has added yet another regional to the fray. The race to the bottom literally continues. Unlike Joe, I am unwilling to give up more to maintain the status quo. My hope is that one day we cease to exist because our pilots are needed at Delta, or other mainline carriers. This place sucks, and I can't wait until I get to leave for greener pastures. But until then, I will continue to push for a contract that makes life for my family and I more livable. Any sane man in this situation would do the same.

They are Delta's planes, and they did not add any more extra planes to the maximum allotted. If they own the planes, they can do what they want with them. I'd rather see them on this side, but that has to be negotiated, and I don't see any guys voting to give in to scope. You guys never negotiate scope for yourselves, so maybe you should consider that yourself next time.


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

Just to be clear, are you saying that a Judge imposed the scope rules on Delta pilots with them having no say whatsoever? I was pretty sure no mainline pilot group has EVER had anything imposed on them by a BK judge. They have ALWAYS voted to take what the judge suggested. Please correct me if I am wrong, at least in regards to Delta.

I wasn't here at the time, but what would you do if a bankruptcy judge told you to do something? Would you tell him no? Would you vote no and then just hope it would go away? Just wondering.


OYS

 

[dojetdriver]

You guys never negotiate scope for yourselves, so maybe you should consider that yourself next time.


OYS

You would be incorrect to make that statement. More than one regional CBA has scope language in it. Unfortunately, just like when the legacies were in BK and there were external pressures, it's not worth the paper it was written on as has been demonstrated.

But the fact still remains, it's there. Saying regionals DON'T negotiate scope is a false statement.

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

GL,

I'm all for you taking back Delta flying. What bothers me greatly is how the almighty D has added yet another regional to the fray. The race to the bottom literally continues. Unlike Joe, I am unwilling to give up more to maintain the status quo. My hope is that one day we cease to exist because our pilots are needed at Delta, or other mainline carriers. This place sucks, and I can't wait until I get to leave for greener pastures. But until then, I will continue to push for a contract that makes life for my family and I more livable. Any sane man in this situation would do the same.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

One would think the mainline pilot would want the highest paid regional with the best work rules flying their logo. Otherwise it's used against them eventually. Also with asa's need to realign cost... 2 rebrandings-move out of atech go back to atech-outsource certain maint-bring it back in. The list goes on and on highlighting the mismanagement. If it wasn't for the front line employees being professional and carrying the operation the numbers would be a darker shade of red. Gains we shall gains we must. FU-PM.

Let's not overlook what I consider the worst case of mismanagement by SH. Most have forgotten by now, but SH was actually ENCOURAGING our furloughs to go to HoJet and helping them get on with them. SH actually provided the newest bottom feeding, undercutting scumbag outfit with some of the pilots they're about to use to slice our throats. Thanks, Scott, you moron!

 

[rockit85]

Speaking of Scott, let's not forget that priceless gem of an email saying it doesn't matter how we got here. thanks for all you do Scott and Brad

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Let's not overlook what I consider the worst case of mismanagement by SH. Most have forgotten by now, but SH was actually ENCOURAGING our furloughs to go to HoJet and helping them get on with them. SH actually provided the newest bottom feeding, undercutting scumbag outfit with some of the pilots they're about to use to slice our throats. Thanks, Scott, you moron!

Yes, he encouraged them to apply to the ONLY airline hiring at the time, and he would recommend them all. Do you know how many of our furloughs who are there are responsible for Delta reallocating those airplanes to another carrier? ZERO.

 

[777forever]

Yes, he encouraged them to apply to the ONLY airline hiring at the time, and he would recommend them all. Do you know how many of our furloughs who are there are responsible for Delta reallocating those airplanes to another carrier? ZERO.

Recommending them to another airline is one thing, but recommending them to an airline which was purposely created to circumvent TSA's CBA is another. Might as well recommend they stab their fellow pilots in the back.

 

[Freebrd]

SH that moron, sure hasn't posted on the Co web site lately has he, CT must have given SH a spanking, or maybe he's in rehab :laugh:

talk about cutting costs, eliminate SH's position, put his ass on line, on reserve :beer:

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

Yes, he encouraged them to apply to the ONLY airline hiring at the time, and he would recommend them all. Do you know how many of our furloughs who are there are responsible for Delta reallocating those airplanes to another carrier? ZERO.

Im not blaming the pilots for the reallocation, and while I disagree with their choice to go to GoJet, they have the right to fly there. What I said and the point you missed is that SH sent CRJ qualified pilots that ASA paid to train to an airline that is now going to use those same pilots to undercut US! To make matters worse is that he did it in a time where qualified pilots are about to become harder and harder to find. Doesn't sound like good business sense to me.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Im not blaming the pilots for the reallocation, and while I disagree with their choice to go to GoJet, they have the right to fly there. What I said and the point you missed is that SH sent CRJ qualified pilots that ASA paid to train to an airline that is now going to use those same pilots to undercut US! To make matters worse is that he did it in a time where qualified pilots are about to become harder and harder to find. Doesn't sound like good business sense to me.

I wouldn't have picked GoJets either, given the choice. However, no other airline was hiring, everyone else was furloughing. Now, those who stayed there and didn't come back I'll give you a sliver of credit in that it hurt the ASA pilot group long term, but what does it tell you that they stayed there and opted not to come back? What does that say about ASA?

I'm fully aware that the pilots who were furloughed had great training at ASA and quite possibility they are some of the strongest pilots there, but Scooter didn't send them anywhere. No one was forced from ASA to GoJet. Get over it.

 

[spudskier]

I wouldn't have picked GoJets either, given the choice. However, no other airline was hiring, everyone else was furloughing. Now, those who stayed there and didn't come back I'll give you a sliver of credit in that it hurt the ASA pilot group long term, but what does it tell you that they stayed there and opted not to come back? What does that say about ASA?

I'm fully aware that the pilots who were furloughed had great training at ASA and quite possibility they are some of the strongest pilots there, but Scooter didn't send them anywhere. No one was forced from ASA to GoJet. Get over it.

I agree with most of what you're saying, but I don't think they really are hurting the ASa pilot group... management did that all on their own. ASa probably won't be around in 10 years anyway... if it is, it'll look a lot like ComAir. Sinking ship, get out while you can

 

[flyboyzii]

Recommending them to another airline is one thing, but recommending them to an airline which was purposely created to circumvent TSA's CBA is another. Might as well recommend they stab their fellow pilots in the back.

The mighty *cough* ALPA represented Trans States pilots were given the opportunity to fly the planes at GoJet. They VOTED NO. They (and ALPO) puffed out their chests at Hulas then Hulas took a needle and popped their baloon. In fact the most senior pilots currently at GoJet CAME from TSA. Trans States MEC & ALPO screwed the TSA pilots through pure arrogance. How do I know this?? I was there. Get your facts straight.

 

[Medeco]

I wouldn't have picked GoJets either, given the choice. However, no other airline was hiring, everyone else was furloughing. Now, those who stayed there and didn't come back I'll give you a sliver of credit in that it hurt the ASA pilot group long term, but what does it tell you that they stayed there and opted not to come back? What does that say about ASA?

I'm fully aware that the pilots who were furloughed had great training at ASA and quite possibility they are some of the strongest pilots there, but Scooter didn't send them anywhere. No one was forced from ASA to GoJet. Get over it.

It says they are now captains if they were qualified to upgrade.

 

[Freebrd]

Of course if ALPA is looking for contract improvements, that will only make our cost structure higher....That won't help...

that's why vac low has to go, you Sr lifers abusing it too much :smash:

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

I wouldn't have picked GoJets either, given the choice. However, no other airline was hiring, everyone else was furloughing. Now, those who stayed there and didn't come back I'll give you a sliver of credit in that it hurt the ASA pilot group long term, but what does it tell you that they stayed there and opted not to come back? What does that say about ASA?

I'm fully aware that the pilots who were furloughed had great training at ASA and quite possibility they are some of the strongest pilots there, but Scooter didn't send them anywhere. No one was forced from ASA to GoJet. Get over it.

I never said anyone forced those pilots to go to HoJet, what you keep missing is that SH actually helped our competition by helping them get staffed with pilots WE paid to train that they are about to use to undercut us. I can't say it any more simply than that, understand now?

 

[damnflyboy]

While I agree that management is salivating over this shot across the bow, losing 8-13 airplanes does not benefit management either. This goes the same for performance.

Like it or not, we pay ALPA to represent us during negotiations. If we feel that they are not doing this well or inhibit a good relationship with our management, vote them out and consider an alternative. Otherwise, let your dues do the worrying (until we vote on a JCBA) and stop stressing yourselves out. Stress will not only damage your health, but also your happiness at home. Do yourselves and your family a favor and chill out.

 

[No Delay]

Like SH or not...

I think what he did to help the furloughed guys was the right thing to do. They had families and responsibilities and suddenly found themselves out of a job. Nothing wrong with helping them. I think he was trying to make the best out of a bad situation.

The few who went to GoJets really had no negative effects on ASA (maybe a little lost in training cost...but thats chump change to the real money we waste). If / When I find myself out of a job - I would appreciate all the help I could get.

Now, personally, GoJets would be at the bottom of my list. The airline as a whole is a modern day scab airline. Mixed feelings I guess...would never condemn someone for trying to provide for their family...but hope they don't come looking for a jumpseat either.

 

[79%N1]

Maybe SH can help us ALL get jobs at GJ's when they get all future contracts as they come up for bid! Why would we win any in the future if we couldn't keep this one????

PS....If I were under 1-2 yrs at ASA I would most definitely look at moving over to GJ, or Compass. That is where the jobs and growth will be for the next 3-5 yrs.