Anybody else receive a phone call survey asking questions about how do you think the contract talks are going right now? what are you looking for in the new contract? what is important to you? what are your strike issues? etc,. But the last 10 minutes of the survey were strickly questions about . how you feel about a merger with Comair? issues? concerns? etc. Very interesting indeed!
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A merger with Comair would probably mean the last representations of George and John would be banished to line flying, or retirement. ASA management could use a little of what Comair has. Regardless of the scope and ALPA issues, anything that resulted in better operational performance at ASA would be welcome.
I won't endorse any reductions in pay but I would be delighted to see the gang of red necks known as our current mgmt sent packing.
Skip, Drew, Nelson, Chromer etc.
I wonder if the time that Drew and Nelson spent in the crew lounge this week spouting concessions was actually their attempt at saving their own jobs ?????
Skip, Drew, Nelson, Chromer etc.
I wonder if the time that Drew and Nelson spent in the crew lounge this week spouting concessions was actually their attempt at saving their own jobs ?????
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50 from the bottom would be about a Nov 4th class date of 2002.
Last class of 20 was hired Jan 2nd 03.
I heard from a person in the GO in ATL that we actually will be understaffed the first part of 2004.
This person says we are getting more crj200's in addition to the 15 crj700's.
I know this has not been indicated before and this is the first time I have heard this too, so I will believe it when I see it.
Just wanted to see if anyone else had heard this in training around the Redroof?
50 from the bottom would be about a Nov 4th class date of 2002.
Last class of 20 was hired Jan 2nd 03.
I heard from a person in the GO in ATL that we actually will be understaffed the first part of 2004.
This person says we are getting more crj200's in addition to the 15 crj700's.
I know this has not been indicated before and this is the first time I have heard this too, so I will believe it when I see it.
Just wanted to see if anyone else had heard this in training around the Redroof?
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Can you mention any specifics of what Nelson and Chromer had to say about concessions? Was this in ATL? I spent hours in DFW on Monday listening to Drew try his best to not answer any questions. Nelson and Chromer were there lurking and smirking, but they didn't have anything to say. I agree with you, having those guys gone would be one of the single best things that could happen to ASA. It's sad that the stupidest things I've ever had anyone tell me about flying have come from our Chief Pilots.
Can you mention any specifics of what Nelson and Chromer had to say about concessions? Was this in ATL? I spent hours in DFW on Monday listening to Drew try his best to not answer any questions. Nelson and Chromer were there lurking and smirking, but they didn't have anything to say. I agree with you, having those guys gone would be one of the single best things that could happen to ASA. It's sad that the stupidest things I've ever had anyone tell me about flying have come from our Chief Pilots.
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An ASA/Comair merger would be absolutely a USELESS waste of negotiating capital...
(paying for something that in and of itself will save the company millions by reducing redundancies...
UNLESS the company committed that the combined entity Com/ASA would be the SOLE PROVIDER of DCI flying for Delta Air Lines.
That would mean the termination of contracts at Chautauqua, ACA, and Skywest over some set period of time.
To merge for any other reason would be, in my opinion, foolish. A bigger wholly-owned will NOT prevent the whipsaw. The elimination of the contract feed might help...
An ASA/Comair merger would be absolutely a USELESS waste of negotiating capital...
(paying for something that in and of itself will save the company millions by reducing redundancies...
UNLESS the company committed that the combined entity Com/ASA would be the SOLE PROVIDER of DCI flying for Delta Air Lines.
That would mean the termination of contracts at Chautauqua, ACA, and Skywest over some set period of time.
To merge for any other reason would be, in my opinion, foolish. A bigger wholly-owned will NOT prevent the whipsaw. The elimination of the contract feed might help...
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Wow, open talk of a merger with Comair? I really like the idea of merging, but I won't (can't) take a pay cut to do it.
The point of reducing redundancy is a good one, canning half of the management and reducing support should save Mama D a lot of cash.
I'd be willing to take a pay scale on par with Comair, but not less. The containment of DCI flying to WO's is also pretty important.
Comair is already our brother (sister) airline, both pilot groups have balls and would probably work well together.
The point of reducing redundancy is a good one, canning half of the management and reducing support should save Mama D a lot of cash.
I'd be willing to take a pay scale on par with Comair, but not less. The containment of DCI flying to WO's is also pretty important.
Comair is already our brother (sister) airline, both pilot groups have balls and would probably work well together.
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RJCAP,
It just seems to me that Delta wouldn't allow a merger without paycuts. Why would they allow the two of you to get bigger and more powerful, without reducing the pay? They already know that Chataqua and Skywest will do it for less, and they are concerned with the $$$$ side right now. I also think that the two of you should merge---which would cut down on redundencies and allow you more choices of bases etc. But, I doubt they would give you all of the DCI flying until you could get costs down to Chataqua's or Skywest's. JMO.
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It just seems to me that Delta wouldn't allow a merger without paycuts. Why would they allow the two of you to get bigger and more powerful, without reducing the pay? They already know that Chataqua and Skywest will do it for less, and they are concerned with the $$$$ side right now. I also think that the two of you should merge---which would cut down on redundencies and allow you more choices of bases etc. But, I doubt they would give you all of the DCI flying until you could get costs down to Chataqua's or Skywest's. JMO.
Bye Bye--General Lee
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You probably are right. But, that will affect you as well--with the percentages. As long as we grow, you can too. If you think we aren't going to give in when it comes to wages, I think you are wrong. We all know that the company needs some funds right now, and as long as they deal with us fairly, it probably will be done. But, we are going to get some more flying regardless, since we now have sent another thing to arbitration--the Codeshare and INTL percentages---they are not following the rules again. So, we will either gain some INTL flying, or they will drop it. (We all know that is where we really make money---little competition) And, we are NO WAY in the financial shape of UAL or USAir--and we are 80% non-union--giving us a better advantage when it comes to manditory pay cuts. We'll do fine---our problems are not only because of the pilot costs. How about we start to advertise? I don't see any billboards outside of ATL. JMO.
Bye bye--General Lee
You probably are right. But, that will affect you as well--with the percentages. As long as we grow, you can too. If you think we aren't going to give in when it comes to wages, I think you are wrong. We all know that the company needs some funds right now, and as long as they deal with us fairly, it probably will be done. But, we are going to get some more flying regardless, since we now have sent another thing to arbitration--the Codeshare and INTL percentages---they are not following the rules again. So, we will either gain some INTL flying, or they will drop it. (We all know that is where we really make money---little competition) And, we are NO WAY in the financial shape of UAL or USAir--and we are 80% non-union--giving us a better advantage when it comes to manditory pay cuts. We'll do fine---our problems are not only because of the pilot costs. How about we start to advertise? I don't see any billboards outside of ATL. JMO.
Bye bye--General Lee
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In the opinion of you guys, any of you,
1) What are the advantages for the pilots of a merger between CMR and ASA?
2) What are the disadvantages for the pilots of a merger between CMR and ASA?
3) What should the pilots want in exchange for such a merger?
4) What should the pilots give in exchange for such a merger? Who should give it, CMR pilots or ASA pilots?
5) Why would the Company agree to such a merger when the Company already has the power to merge CMR/ASA or DLA/CMR/ASA whenever they feel like it?
1) What are the advantages for the pilots of a merger between CMR and ASA?
2) What are the disadvantages for the pilots of a merger between CMR and ASA?
3) What should the pilots want in exchange for such a merger?
4) What should the pilots give in exchange for such a merger? Who should give it, CMR pilots or ASA pilots?
5) Why would the Company agree to such a merger when the Company already has the power to merge CMR/ASA or DLA/CMR/ASA whenever they feel like it?
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3) What should the pilots want in exchange for such a merger?
This is the only one I want to answer -- but I agree with Treme. If the company chooses to merge ASA/Comair in order to reduce redundancies and improve the DCI product I would be willing to entertain the idea of concessions to help the process along IF...
There were an ironclad guarantee providing that all current and future DCI flying will be performed by the new entity, along with a reasonable timeline to transfer the flying back from Chautauqua, ACA, and Skywest.
I'm sure that i'm dreaming.
My point is that I see every advantage for the company to seek the combination -- but very little advantage for the pilot group. It seems foolish to offer concessions for a merger which in and of-itself will save the company millions!
If they need concessions fine -- Lets see what job security guarantees they can provide in return. Lets see them terminate the contracts of the affiliate carriers.
Just My Opinion.
(Job security is always a hot-button with newhires and members of the frequent-furlough club. I'm both.)
This is the only one I want to answer -- but I agree with Treme. If the company chooses to merge ASA/Comair in order to reduce redundancies and improve the DCI product I would be willing to entertain the idea of concessions to help the process along IF...
There were an ironclad guarantee providing that all current and future DCI flying will be performed by the new entity, along with a reasonable timeline to transfer the flying back from Chautauqua, ACA, and Skywest.
I'm sure that i'm dreaming.
My point is that I see every advantage for the company to seek the combination -- but very little advantage for the pilot group. It seems foolish to offer concessions for a merger which in and of-itself will save the company millions!
If they need concessions fine -- Lets see what job security guarantees they can provide in return. Lets see them terminate the contracts of the affiliate carriers.
Just My Opinion.
(Job security is always a hot-button with newhires and members of the frequent-furlough club. I'm both.)
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My brother, please don't start the concessions for perks mantra. This is a fools game that management has played well, and pilot groups have suffered under its rein.
I do support the merger of ASA/Comair, but there is NO reason for us to take a pay cut to effect this. This is not a contractual gain, like crew meals, or duty rigs-it's a serious restructuring of the company. Management has a lot to gain in terms of efficiency, and costs reduction. We can gain in that we would have ONE contract, and more options in terms of flying we could do and domiciles to choose from.
I share your pain and concern, re: job security. I know you must feel like you are hanging on by your fingernails, but there is NO reason for us to take a pay cut, for any reason--NONE.
Again, I support the idea of a merger, but I will NOT vote for any TA that involves pay cuts. I'm just one vote of 1600, but that's where I come out.
My brother, please don't start the concessions for perks mantra. This is a fools game that management has played well, and pilot groups have suffered under its rein.
I do support the merger of ASA/Comair, but there is NO reason for us to take a pay cut to effect this. This is not a contractual gain, like crew meals, or duty rigs-it's a serious restructuring of the company. Management has a lot to gain in terms of efficiency, and costs reduction. We can gain in that we would have ONE contract, and more options in terms of flying we could do and domiciles to choose from.
I share your pain and concern, re: job security. I know you must feel like you are hanging on by your fingernails, but there is NO reason for us to take a pay cut, for any reason--NONE.
Again, I support the idea of a merger, but I will NOT vote for any TA that involves pay cuts. I'm just one vote of 1600, but that's where I come out.
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