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Freebrd

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This is from an ALPA mailing:


Recent management Internet postings, indicating that our union is to
blame for the slow pace of the current contract talks, are about as well
thought out as management's responses to our negotiating proposals.

Asacontract.com - management's electronic version of Pravda - states,
"The ALPA negotiators have refused to acknowledge the uncertainty
created by ASA's parent company's difficulties, offering proposals
apparently without regard for what they would cost or what effect they
would have on the company's ability to compete for new business
opportunities. The aviation marketplace is simply not what it was 10
years ago, but ALPA negotiators have failed to recognize the seriousness
of the situation."

This message adds that the union brings hundreds of changes to the
bargaining table without regard to the associated costs.

To date, all of our proposals have had little or no associated costs to
the company. In fact, we haven't begun to address the real financial
items of our contract. We've spent more than two years trying to
fine-tune the existing language of the less contentious sections to make
our agreement less ambiguous, to avoid the kinds of contract loop hopes
we constantly face as well as the potential for unnecessary
confrontations resulting from differing interpretations.

As for changes in the aviation marketplace, ASA is a larger, stronger
carrier with more aircraft, more routes, and more employees than 10
years ago. We recognize the challenges at our mainline carrier but
expect a contract that reflects the productivity and success of our
present-day airline. Let's face facts: management's excuses just don't
hold water.
 
What a bunch of management sh!t. Declare war on your employees, then blame them for everything wrong in the industry--there is a recipe for success.

I only wish this pilot group had the nerve for an 89 day vacation. Personally that would be about the most liberating thing I could think of. Too bad we have so many sheep.
 
....assuming of course we ever get released.
 
Sheep?

You must fly with all the junior ATL boys who have a Daddy in the DAL training department.

All the guys I fly with are ready to burn cars in the parking lot.

The anger and frustration amongst the guys I fly with is growing stronger every day.

It may not be up to Black Sunday level yet, but it's certainly headed that way.
 
I Just Love How Management Is Never To Blame FOR Anything Yet They Run The Friggin Companies!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
 
Does not really apply to contract talks but.... If ASA were to go back to being a real airline like ACA did do you suppose the same fate would await them ie.... rj's can't stand alone as an airliner and need subsidy in the form of fee-for-departure.....it is amazing how quickly a fee-for-departure airline can disappear when the real airline that is paying the bills goes away....just stuff that makes ya go hmmm..
 
dogg said:
Does not really apply to contract talks but.... If ASA were to go back to being a real airline like ACA did do you suppose the same fate would await them ie.... rj's can't stand alone as an airliner and need subsidy in the form of fee-for-departure.....it is amazing how quickly a fee-for-departure airline can disappear when the real airline that is paying the bills goes away....just stuff that makes ya go hmmm..

Has someone not had their Ritilin today?
 
I am quite sure that ASA would not exist today without DAL, and if DAL pulled the plug and we didn't quickly pick up another contract to feed someone that we would quickly dissappear. An LCC simply cannot run on RJ's.
 
I can see the smoke from the Lot 2 & 3 parking lots all the way up here in Vinings...after this pairing I see they've decided to try and give me for tonight, give me a match
 
dogg said:
Does not really apply to contract talks but.... If ASA were to go back to being a real airline like ACA did do you suppose the same fate would await them ie.... rj's can't stand alone as an airliner and need subsidy in the form of fee-for-departure.....it is amazing how quickly a fee-for-departure airline can disappear when the real airline that is paying the bills goes away....just stuff that makes ya go hmmm..

An airline on it's own wouldn't buy 50 seat RJ's. If ASA were independant (no slave contract to DAL) A load of CRJ700's and some A318's/717's would probably be the order of the day.
 
atrdriver said:
I am quite sure that ASA would not exist today without DAL, and if DAL pulled the plug and we didn't quickly pick up another contract to feed someone that we would quickly dissappear. An LCC simply cannot run on RJ's.

In all honesty, you are probably right. ASA has never had the independant spirit and ethic of Comair. We have ALWAYS been in the shadow of the plantation.
 

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