ASA losing the 700s?

[cbrown1]

I hear yes and no from everyone and their mothers. So whats the truth of the matter, is ASA losing the 700s in slc? Is this 100% sure?

 

[John Pennekamp]

I hear yes and no from everyone and their mothers. So whats the truth of the matter, is ASA losing the 700s in slc? Is this 100% sure?

Is Jerry Atkin 100% sure? Is anybody 100% sure of anything in this industry? Please!

 

[cbrown1]

Is Jerry Atkin 100% sure? Is anybody 100% sure of anything in this industry? Please!

Everyone at ASA including the chief pilots think so. I just have yet to see anything on paper.


I've got an opportunity to go elsewhere and I'm still debating if I should leave ASA. If this is all just smoke and mirrors and we don't lose the plans, I'm going regret my decision. Once ASA gets the contract signed there could be massive growth.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Everyone at ASA including the chief pilots think so. I just have yet to see anything on paper.


I've got an opportunity to go elsewhere and I'm still debating if I should leave ASA. If this is all just smoke and mirrors and we don't lose the plans, I'm going regret my decision. Once ASA gets the contract signed there good be massive growth.

The chief pilots will parrot whatever they are told to parrot just to keep that fat management pay check.

If you have a better option GO AND NEVER LOOK BACK!!!

 

[Tomct]

Everyone at ASA including the chief pilots think so. I just have yet to see anything on paper.


I've got an opportunity to go elsewhere and I'm still debating if I should leave ASA. If this is all just smoke and mirrors and we don't lose the plans, I'm going regret my decision. Once ASA gets the contract signed there good be massive growth.

When the contract is finished, there is going to be MASSIVE growth for ASA. Especially at LAX! It is mgmnt "smoke and mirrors," they are just trying to see if we are going to blink! Guess what ASSA mgmnt....We are NOT GOING TO BLINK!! If you are going to another Regional, You might want to just hold up for a bit....otherwise, good luck!

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Don't believe anything until you see the mtc guys scrapping the ASA logo off the side.

 

[cbrown1]

Btw while we are on the subject of the contract, any word on what happened yesterday?

 

[jstyle13]

Btw while we are on the subject of the contract, any word on what happened yesterday?

The CNC email update said that mgm't passed them a counter and they were evalutating it as of late last night. They said there was some positive movement but that it was still lacking (of course). Sounds like good news to me. Haven't heard any of the specifics.

 

[~~~^~~~]

When the contract is finished, there is going to be MASSIVE growth for ASA. Especially at LAX!

What do you base this on?

 

[ohplease!]

What do you base this on?

common sense.

 

[John Pennekamp]

common sense.

It seems "common sense" isn't so common these days...

 

[737 Pylt]

common sense.

Well then, count yourself out of course!
737

 

[Kenney G]

When the contract is finished, there is going to be MASSIVE growth for ASA. Especially at LAX! It is mgmnt "smoke and mirrors," they are just trying to see if we are going to blink! Guess what ASSA mgmnt....We are NOT GOING TO BLINK!! If you are going to another Regional, You might want to just hold up for a bit....otherwise, good luck!

Does that mean growth at LAX could mean a reduction in ATL?

 

[goahead]

LAX will grow for the next few years until DAL gets their Pacific plans in order. That's the only reason we are in LA b/c other carriers were bitc_hing about DAL not using the gate space and thus here we come and will fill the void until China and other routes get up and running in 08' ish.

 

[ohplease!]

Well then, count yourself out of course!
737

aww man..that really hurts my feelings.

Whats the matter 737 pile of s!ht? the big boys still won't let you play on their playground so you come to the lowly regionals forum to bully us wittle guys? dick head...

 

[cbrown1]

So about those 13 700s in SLC. Anyone have an information?

 

[Turkey Shoot]

The new fear from the SkyWest boys is that they are hiring a bunch of pilots for nothing right now. IE.... No new planes.

 

[79%N1]

The planes are going, ASA is shrinking. Fact. How anyone thinks there will be massive growth is beyond me! We have nothing ordered of any kind. Delta is not looking for massive additions to it's RJ network right now, and you can bet if there is, Skywest will be getting it. JA gotta take care of his baby!

 

[~~~^~~~]

Jerry Atkin said they will go to SkyWest. It has not happened yet. ASA's schedule through October 08 still shows the similar levels of flying out of SLC. SkyWest is hiring lots of pilots. I think that is all anyone knows thus far.

On paper it sure looks like they are going to be transferred. Many believe it is a bluff. I'm not certain either way. The fate of these airplanes have more to do with politics than any objective factors, so it is hard to make a conclusion from subjective information.

I do not anticipate any huge growth for ASA after the contract. I also don't expect a lot of shrinkage. I do think that Mesa and Republic Airlines Holdings might be at risk to some degree.

 

[atrdriver]

The planes are going, ASA is shrinking. Fact. How anyone thinks there will be massive growth is beyond me! We have nothing ordered of any kind. Delta is not looking for massive additions to it's RJ network right now, and you can bet if there is, Skywest will be getting it. JA gotta take care of his baby!

JA is a businessman. He will put planes where they make the most financial sense, being flown by whoever will make SKY Inc the most money. If he doesn't do that he won't have a baby anymore because the stockholders will replace him.

 

[79%N1]

And according to JA, the planes will make more money flown by the SW pilots, since they work cheaper. As will all the 90's, for the same reason. It is also cheaper for SW to keep his non-union boys happy so they don't vote in ALPA and hit them up for more.

 

[SkyNation]

Fins et al,

I'm asking because I don't know. Couldn't ASA be awarded a good chunk of this flying? if not, who do you think will? this article says 'SkyWest,' but couldn't that mean Inc.?
also, the 'second lowest cost' mentioned, is that part of Delta's new plan, that they'll award all future DCI flying to the 2 lowest bidders? I had heard that, but didn't know it was already in effect.

SkyWest Might See Follow-On Growth Through Delta RFP
[SIZE=-3]Aug 30, 2006[/SIZE] Source: Aviation Daily
SkyWest could be in the best position to capitalize on the RFP Delta sent to regional carriers last week, analysts from Raymond James note. "With its contract already affirmed, SkyWest can bid on all three components of the RFP, and to the extent that any of the flying represents incremental growth, SkyWest is contractually guaranteed to maintain its current proportion of Delta Connection flying," assuming its costs are at least the second-lowest.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

And according to JA, the planes will make more money flown by the SW pilots, since they work cheaper. As will all the 90's, for the same reason. It is also cheaper for SW to keep his non-union boys happy so they don't vote in ALPA and hit them up for more.

How can you say they do it cheaper? With their duty rigs, they make more than ASA 700 drivers. All JA is after right now is keeping ALPA out of SW. Once that passes and ASA finishes a contract, I'm betting some his promises fall by the wayside with SkyWest drivers.

The more likely scenario is that SkyWest is hiring in the event ASA strikes. If JA can cover a third of flying, he'll be okay until he can staff ASA with non union type scabs. I do have to wonder though, what the mind process in SkyWest is on this prospect of flying struck work.

So far as growth, I am betting that ASA will see some of the Mesa flying after RFP thing goes through. ASA's overall cost is very competitive even if their pilots do make a couple bucks an hour more than the Freedumb guys do

 

[goahead]

When they bid on flying they are cheaper, they don't bid on flying with their numbers from the pilots W-2's.....

 

[737 Pylt]

aww man..that really hurts my feelings.

Whats the matter 737 pile of s!ht? the big boys still won't let you play on their playground so you come to the lowly regionals forum to bully us wittle guys? dick head...

:laugh: Don't sell yourself short, you're not wittle, just worthless! You just make it too easy to pick on you, because you are a sniveling crybaby POS!:laugh:
737

 

[COOPERVANE]

"Dallas will NEVER close!"

 

[goahead]

Viva la Dallas.....

 

[crjskipper]

supposedly one 700 per month beginning october, then the atrs go next year. very good source. we will most likely be 30ish planes smaller by 2008. yah.

 

[IUSTACHECKEM]

All 900's are headed to SKYW, congrats boys, you'll enjoy the plane. First 700 leaving next week. First of 13 in the next 5 months. Middle of next year the ATR's will be gone. ASA IP's get ready for 200 pay. I'll bet JA will be shipping more 200's to cover the 80% required.

Sounds like the mediator feels the two side were too far apart. ALPA and Management have been parked. Told to give him a call when you want to "NEGOTIATE!" ALPA, your not able to strike... just have to cool your jets boys while you watch the 700 leave and 900 fly through ATL by SKYW pilots.

 

[79%N1]

Yep, that pretty much sums it up! You know, I think the worst indictment of a company is that none of their emplyoyees want to work there. That sums it up here. As a 700 FO, I fly with many of the companies most senior pilots, and you would be amazed at how many of them are trying to get out of here. 15-20 years, and they would rather work elsewhere! I watch them filling out applications. Junior Fo's leaving in droves, and all in the middle scrambling to get out too. Is there any worse thing to say about a company? The management at this company should be ashamed,not to mention running the worst airline statistically in the US. But hey, they make $$$ right. Thats all that is important, right?