ASA letter to pilots II

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The same scope that you and your pals are suiing to eliminate?
You speak out of both sides of your mouth young man!
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Give it a break.. It's old, it's dead. Many do not agree with the RJDC but you are as bad as some of the RJDC people.

 

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The ASA pilots are not competitive. More of the same BS from Letter #1. Company brainwash sessions coming up. I encourage no ASA pilots go. If you do, ask why BL just got those stock options, and how does that make ASA more competitive.

Hoser

Also, ask CT and BL if they need to save money and we operate an aircraft that is plentiful, a bunch on the market, renegotiate the leases. It's the lastest trend.

Also, if they want us to sign off, open "the real books".

 

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Yes, I have read the note on the door. If you can tell me exactly how those rates are calculated and on a level playing field, I will concede.

You need to be asking your mgmt partners this question. The only "level playing field" is opening the books, all the books, at ASA and Skywest Airlines. Ask Charlie and Bryan to compare apples to apples. Then watch the Spin begin.

 

[737 Pylt]

"All Delta flying done by Delta pilots" would have been a start, but when we tried to promote that at the 2000 BOD, your MEC quashed it.

{sigh...}This is as tiring as your lies. Much as you tell all your "non-flying" pals and the chicks at the mall, you are NOT a Delta pilot!

At ASA we are looking to at least provide contractual protections for our pilots when our airplanes get transferred. Depending on which numbers you count, SkyWest has taken the CRJ-700's on order at ASA and the airplanes already in SLC. That is 17, or 23 airplanes so far, depending on whether you count ASA's firm orders prior to the purchase. Skywest is training 40 pilots a month to replace us off our senior airplane, out of our senior base.

Blah blah blah....The same scope you define as "predatory." You are such a hypocrite!

If Delta were to outright transfer the entire 737 fleet to ASA you guys would be going nuts. We have suffered a much worse loss on a percentage basis and you are here to poke at our efforts to establish some scope so we can work on improving the profession - however you are giddy about the jobs going to a non union carrier.

What a fine pair you two are....

You crack me up....I especially like the part where you talk about suffering a worse loss. How much flying has the DL pilot group lost to DCI? The DL seniority list has gone from 10,000 to a shade over 6,000 in just 5 years, and you talk about losing on a % basis. Tell me almighty spin meister, how many pilots has DCI hired since 9/11? How many at ASA in particular??
I, unlike your girl group of butt spankers from the rjdc, do NOT find joy in other peoples' demise.
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[JoeMerchant]

ATL, I think that the company said that the Union proposal would cost them an extra 3.5 million a year. I'm not sure about that, but I seem to remember that number being bandied about at some point. ATL, do you REALLY not see something really wrong with this?

More bad information Atrdriver. The current ALPA open items would cost an additional 23 million in the first year alone. Those are ALPA's own numbers. I see something very wrong with P2P people not giving out accurate information.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Give it a break.. It's old, it's dead. Many do not agree with the RJDC but you are as bad as some of the RJDC people.

It's not dead at all www. The fact is, the whole PID/RJDC/Scope debate is the very essence of why we find ourselves in the current situation. Without effective scope, nothing else in any section of any contract is wo[e]rth the paper it is written. Management can and will simply move the pieces of the puzzle while pilots blame each other and continue to bid.

 

[JoeMerchant]

You crack me up....I especially like the part where you talk about suffering a worse loss. How much flying has the DL pilot group lost to DCI? The DL seniority list has gone from 10,000 to a shade over 6,000 in just 5 years, and you talk about losing on a % basis. Tell me almighty spin meister, how many pilots has DCI hired since 9/11? How many at ASA in particular??
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Exactly! Scope hasn't worked for EITHER group. Mainline has lost many jobs and the bidding has lowered everyones pay, however yours even more than ours. ALPA has been a total failure.

 

[blueridge71]

The contract with DAL has already been negotiated. ASA and SKW will get the flying that has been contracted. Our pay, whether it goes up or down, will only affect how much profit the company makes. And yes, it is true that there is a provision that we have to be the 2nd lowest cost in 5 years or so (would like to meet the genius that signed off on that). What the company isn't telling you is that if we are not the 2nd lowest cost, SKW still has first right of refusal. IOW, if we are not the 2nd lowest, they have the right to match whoever is before they would lose the flying. So, lets say that the 2nd lowest crew cost is $90/hour, and we are $95/hour. They would just take the extra $5 out of those record profits to match the deal and keep the flying.

And as far as the costs being on a level playing field, if you are talking about the numbers I think you are those are the ones reported to DOT, and they have to be put in a specific format. If they were not standard then each company could just report whatever it wanted to make their numbers look however they wanted.

This is true. I've also heard that the lowest cost clause refers only to future DCI flying and not to current flying.

Agreeing to be the second cheapest was a dumb move on whoever's part.