ASA LEC Election Results.....

[E120ASA]

Good working with you folks, that see the big picture! Thanks....

 

[ACL65PILOT]

True we have 1700 pilots but with mil leave and what not the actual number of voters is around 1200-1300.
Talked to Nick today and they are all happy that this is done, and now they can focus on getting the contract compleated.

 

[BobbyBiplane]

Looks like we had a pretty good turnout!

Good turnout???

Recalculate ace. Piss poor in my book.

 

[WWEfan]

Good turnout???

Recalculate ace. Piss poor in my book.

While 46% seems like it sucks on the surface, the truth of the matter is that ASA has never had a turnout higher than about 15% for an LEC election. 46% is damn good. Considering the U.S. only gets about 55% turnout for presidential elections I'd say it's not too shabby.

The pilots knew what was at stake and they voted accordingly by a margin of 2.5 to 1. Sorry for you guys on the losing end. Maybe you should have tried harder to get the word out.

 

[sweptback]

Sorry for you guys on the losing end. Maybe you should have tried harder to get the word out.

I don't know about that. Between the emails and copies of said emails in our v-files, plus the infamous Brian Wilson letter, I say they made their point.

 

[HoserASA]

Good turnout???

Recalculate ace. Piss poor in my book.

Doesn't matter what your book says Bobby. The NoPilotleftBehind group won. That's all that counts. Now instead of making excuses and crying over the results, why don't you get behind this new group?

Voted For The Tomlin-Utley group!
Congrats guys!

 

[ASARJMan]

Maybe BoyToy will now STFU and she can go back into hibernation for the remainder of the winter.

Nope. Joey's posting for KC now on the ALPA board. You have to say he is one persistent little rascal! Always something with him. Like KC has any credibility with the ASA pilots! He's as useless as JB & LJ!

Voted for The No Pilot Left Behind Group!

 

[Bizjet]

Nope. Joey's posting for KC now on the ALPA board. You have to say he is one persistent little rascal! Always something with him. Like KC has any credibility with the ASA pilots! He's as useless as JB & LJ!

Voted for The No Pilot Left Behind Group!

KC and the Fab 4 + BoyToy got into a spitting contest. The Fab 4 + BoyToy said we can deliver a substandard contract in 90 days. Crooksey said I can deliver a substandard contract in 10 drinks with Bubba outside of negotiations. Crooksey won tha arguement and the Fab 4 folded because they knew he could deliver on his promise because of his history of screwing the ASA pilots.

 

[WWEfan]

bump.

 

[Speedtape]

Ask about the grievance that every nap/reserve pilot has wanted for trading naps and being punished by payroll, but if sch. changes your nap or reserve day on a relief line, then you get nothing on top of 75.00 hours. Talk to these guys and they say--oh that is not worth griev. process. Well ask about 300-400 pilots that have flown naps in the last few years. Worthless !!!

Shane,

Instead of whining, be mature and responsible! Why don't you get off your dead arse, and file such grievance! It would probably take you a total of five minutes--less time than it takes to sign on to flightinfo and making a sorry whining post. No one is going to do it for you! You are turning me into a pulephobic! Or, quit bidding naps!

 

[BobbyBiplane]

While 46% seems like it sucks on the surface, the truth of the matter is that ASA has never had a turnout higher than about 15% for an LEC election. 46% is dang good. Considering the U.S. only gets about 55% turnout for presidential elections I'd say it's not too shabby.

The pilots knew what was at stake and they voted accordingly by a margin of 2.5 to 1. Sorry for you guys on the losing end. Maybe you should have tried harder to get the word out.

My post is not about who got elected, it is about engagement. A <50% turnout still means that more than half of the pilots are not engaged, and, that is a tragedy. ASA and its ALPA group will continue to have infighting and will never be perceived as a unified front by management when this few vote in the election that determines where the union will be going. This vote invalidates a previously strong strike vote simply because of its lack of participation.

Bob

 

[John Pennekamp]

My post is not about who got elected, it is about engagement. A <50% turnout still means that more than half of the pilots are not engaged, and, that is a tragedy. ASA and its ALPA group will continue to have infighting and will never be perceived as a unified front by management when this few vote in the election that determines where the union will be going.

Well said!

This vote invalidates a previously strong strike vote simply because of its lack of participation.

Bob

Whoa there, big fella! You're comparing apples to oranges. This has no impact whatsoever on the strike vote. And when you factor out the nonvoting members and the apprentices, the strike vote only had an 85% turnout! The published 92% is decieving, and is still not that great. It should have been 98%+!

 

[PCL_128]

My post is not about who got elected, it is about engagement. A <50% turnout still means that more than half of the pilots are not engaged, and, that is a tragedy. ASA and its ALPA group will continue to have infighting and will never be perceived as a unified front by management when this few vote in the election that determines where the union will be going. This vote invalidates a previously strong strike vote simply because of its lack of participation.

Bob

Apathy usually indicates support for the status quo. The fact that half of the pilots didn't vote is a pretty good indication that they support Newie and friends. If they were dissatisfied with the way the MEC and NC have handled things, then they would have taken the time to vote for the Jackson-Brieling Coalition.

 

[shamrock]

Apathy usually indicates support for the status quo. The fact that half of the pilots didn't vote is a pretty good indication that they support Newie and friends. If they were dissatisfied with the way the MEC and NC have handled things, then they would have taken the time to vote for the Jackson-Brieling Coalition.

I gotta wonder how much of the higher than normal turn out, as bad as some believe it to be, was the result of people getting out to vote against the Coalition. It's semantics, I know, because it doesn't matter how the winners were elected, but I voted just as much to keep the Coalition out of power as anything else.

For the record I am content with our current representation and with the people we elected so don't take that to mean I viewed this as a "lesser of two evils" situation. The Coalition was just a very big incentive to make sure I got my votes in.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Apathy usually indicates support for the status quo. The fact that half of the pilots didn't vote is a pretty good indication that they support Newie and friends. If they were dissatisfied with the way the MEC and NC have handled things, then they would have taken the time to vote for the Jackson-Brieling Coalition.

In addition, in this fast paced world, it is extremely burdonsome to log on to the another webpage and vote. It might take too much time away from FI.

Or.. in the ATL airport.. there just aren't enough pay phones. I mean, how many pay phones does an ALPA pilot have to pass before he will pick one up and dial a toll FREE number and vote. What is 30 secs spent in the name of democracy...?

Or even better, when you are standing in line getting your fast food why not make a fast call on your cellphone. You could even wait for the weekend or nights so it doesn't effect your "regular minutes" Before you know it, you can particpate in democracy, actually have a say in your leadership and career and all before you supersize!!

Ya'll goin' ta vote? Let me axe you sumtin? You fend to raise up and get your vote on? From the internt poll to the phone poll you got to get your posterior in democracy! Sh_t dog! You be sittin on yo a_s getting yo' drink ON and get your vote ON while we floss and fly this election all over this biotch!

Internet vote? Phone vote? We'll have you back to yo jet lickity split... no sh_t!............At ALPA we love us some democracy and it be showing like a mutherfu_cker!

I know, I know... that isn't it...
you actually don't know your ALPA number.....

 

[Richard Gozinya]

you actually don't know your ALPA number.....

Riiiigggghhhhttttttttt!!!!!! Reaching in your wallet and getting your ALPA card out is such a major project for most of our Chuck Yeagers around this place.

Dick

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Riiiigggghhhhttttttttt!!!!!! Reaching in your wallet and getting your ALPA card out is such a major project for most of our Chuck Yeagers around this place.

And then they need to know their password... another mind blowing exercise for the apathetic.... Wow... give 1.95% of your income and you can't even recall your member number or password even though ALPA sent it to you via US Mail prior to the election. Whats the point?

After you volunteer for the organization you'll realize how many "professionals" are really engaged.

 

[Speedtape]

why have we all not gotten an e-mail?

You should have if your email is current with ALPA.

 

[John Pennekamp]

In addition, in this fast paced world, it is extremely burdonsome to log on to the another webpage and vote. It might take too much time away from FI.

Or.. in the ATL airport.. there just aren't enough pay phones. I mean, how many pay phones does an ALPA pilot have to pass before he will pick one up and dial a toll FREE number and vote. What is 30 secs spent in the name of democracy...?

Or even better, when you are standing in line getting your fast food why not make a fast call on your cellphone. You could even wait for the weekend or nights so it doesn't effect your "regular minutes" Before you know it, you can particpate in democracy, actually have a say in your leadership and career and all before you supersize!!




I know, I know... that isn't it...
you actually don't know your ALPA number.....

"That was the most ridiculous, rambling, nonsense answer I've ever heard. I award you no points, and my god have mercy on your soul."

 

[Speedtape]

My post is not about who got elected, it is about engagement. A <50% turnout still means that more than half of the pilots are not engaged, and, that is a tragedy. ASA and its ALPA group will continue to have infighting and will never be perceived as a unified front by management when this few vote in the election that determines where the union will be going. This vote invalidates a previously strong strike vote simply because of its lack of participation.

Bob

POLITICS 101

People want to be lead. They will follow those who represent their collective interests and as long as there is the assumption that somone else is acting in their best behalf. If a political party can identify the collective interests of the electoral, that party will be successful in leading that majority in elections and the representative process, i.e., ALPA negotiations. That is why any process that utilizes the tools of surveys and polling to develop their strategies and platform, can effectively lead and get elected. It works over and over again. Apparently, it is a proven process for ALPA in negotiations. Bill Clinton was a master at it in his political career after taking office, lead by concensus!

Unfortunately, an abstension, indirectly, is a vote!--a vote for status quo. It means that someone or a group is not so uncomfortable that they are willing to make the effort to vote, because they are comfortable with status quo. It means that the "Change Agent" (in this case the Jackson5+, including managment) did not have a platform that the masses could connect, trust, or believe--or simply there was no reason to make a change.

It's human nature to not act or make change when one feels comfortable and safe in her/his environment. When people or a person feel threatened or become uncomfortable with their environment, then and only then, will they become proactive in making a change that moves them back into that comfort zone. Usually in elections, whether on a local or National level, turnouts in the 50% range are viewed as high.

Although the issues are apples and oranges, there is simple distinction between the turnout for this election and the strike vote. In this election, the people who didn't vote were not so uncomfortable with status quo to take the steps to make a change to an alternative. In the strike vote, there was a significant number of people who were willing to make a change to take whatever steps necessary to effect change in status quo.

In Politics, there will never be a change in party unless the masses feel threatened or uncomfortable with the leadership of the status quo. There has to be significant "perception" by the masses that those in charge no longer represent the collective best interests of the group, and on an individual basis, the voter has to feel agravated enough to take action to make the change.

The results of this election and what it says are glaring. The support for the MEC and the Negotiating team are strong and the pilot group wants them to stay strong and hold the course.

The Jackson5+ Coalition's main message was to "get a contract, if elected in 90 days or less, at all cost, or we will resign, or if you are not happy with us we will resign." What kind of committment is that? The Pilot Group has spoken, "Ms. Jackson, the BUCK stops here!" Thanks, but no thanks!

**This political message was not paid for or approved by Scott Hall, Brian Wilson, or any other management supporters.

 

[Tomct]

Lets face it...the results to this election were NO SURPRISE....EXCEPT to the Whorelition!:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Speedtape... then there should be no complaining from the status quo....