ASA June lines...is this a joke?

[PooPooPants]

I never wanted to be the one to start a thread about the new lines coming out but I am besides myself right now. Whatever happened to summer flying being better? There are more 4 days without weekends off then I have seen in almost three years here. This after Scott Hall coming into ground school saying lines will vastly improve maybe in May but absolutely by June. Kiss my azz Scott!

 

[GearUpLightsIn]

You mean Scott said something un-true? I am shocked!!!!

 

[coogebeachhotel]

Where is Scott Hall from? Name sounds very familiar.

 

[Noise]

Where is Scott Hall from? Name sounds very familiar.

Most recently, chicago express, IIRC.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

six-leg day with 9.75 rest (guaranteed to be reduced to 9 with duty-in pushed back in the AM) followed by five legs the last day. I'd say it's a cruel alien experiment to find out at what point a pilot will expire due to ASA HELL.

 

[PooPooPants]

I'm just sorry for the reserve pilots because I'm fed up with this crap and I'll be taking a few days off this month for personal time (sick time) whatever you want to call it. And I'll do it again in July if the lines stay this way.

 

[WWEfan]

I don't know what you are complaining about. Anyone with 5 or 6 legs on their schedule is almost guaranteed to time out and have part of the trip removed.

Leg 1 - inbound flight late. 1 hour delay
Leg 3 - swap to aircraft with deferred APU. 3 hour delay.
Leg 5 - No release, fuel or catering. 16 hour limit reached during boarding.

Still a long day, but very satisfying knowing what a cluster ASA caused.

 

[Silent Partner]

I never wanted to be the one to start a thread about the new lines coming out but I am besides myself right now. Whatever happened to summer flying being better? There are more 4 days without weekends off then I have seen in almost three years here. This after Scott Hall coming into ground school saying lines will vastly improve maybe in May but absolutely by June. Kiss my azz Scott!

He told our ground class AFTER june not in june. Could you have not heard him right?

 

[flyinhigh6165]

Where can you view the lines at? and if it is ourasa which tabs? thanks

 

[mamba20]

six-leg day with 9.75 rest (guaranteed to be reduced to 9 with duty-in pushed back in the AM) followed by five legs the last day. I'd say it's a cruel alien experiment to find out at what point a pilot will expire due to ASA HELL.

That sounds like a standard trip for the guys at PSA.

 

[BoilerUP]

That sounds like a standard trip for the guys at PSA.

Or Air Wisconsin.

This might be a shock to some Acey folks, but schedules are bad these days everywhere...

 

[scott hall]

PBS anyone?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

That sounds like a standard trip for the guys at PSA.

That doesn't change the fact that that type of schedule is DANGEROUS. If they bend over and take it without complaint, that is their business.

 

[siucavflight]

Eagles lines are not too bad, seven months in, 15 days off a month, with every weekend off.

 

[shamrock]

PBS anyone?

I was very surprised that you didn't hit this subject harder in recurrent. Hardly a mention. Guess you were having an off day.

 

[asapilot]

What about LAX people?

At least you got to see the lines. I noticed on the June assignments yesterday that none of the LAX people were listed anywhere(at least the few people I checked). And today? No June folder on FLICA.

Apparently the LAX people are getting eliminated along with the LAX flying.
I'm sure it will be corrected promptly by crew resources. Oh wait, it's the weekend...

 

[probablecause]

The 700 only has 37 lines in June where there is only two four day trips or less. It is by far the worst packet I have seen in 3 years.

 

[Lear70]

They did this a couple years ago at PCL. Dropped the day off average to just over 11, 94 hour average block lines, and mostly non-commutable.

That month, the sick calls went up by 400%. Yeah, you read that right. The company ended up canceling HUGE numbers of flights for staffing.

It wasn't an organized job action; the individual pilots were simply too fatigued to fly those kinds of schedules after doing one or two rotations of it, and the company heard us loud and clear.

The next month the lines improved DRAMATICALLY and they started hiring massive numbers of pilots to properly staff the airline. Turned out to be a pretty decent summer.

Morale of the story: take the time off you need in order to start a long trip like that rested and ready for duty. If it affects their operation... too d*mn bad. Guess they should have thought about that before they staffed so low as to require those kinds of lines.

 

[bacardi]

Where is Scott Hall from? Name sounds very familiar.

he is a former wrestler for the wwf.

 

[DX Rick]

If it's that rough, call fatigued.
They have been giving us 12 hour days with 3-4 hour sits inbetween legs.

I'm sure Scott doesn't make the lines himself. Our excuse was "This is all that Delta is giving us!"

 

[Minimaniac]

They did this a couple years ago at PCL. Dropped the day off average to just over 11, 94 hour average block lines, and mostly non-commutable.

That month, the sick calls went up by 400%. Yeah, you read that right. The company ended up canceling HUGE numbers of flights for staffing.

It wasn't an organized job action; the individual pilots were simply too fatigued to fly those kinds of schedules after doing one or two rotations of it, and the company heard us loud and clear.

The next month the lines improved DRAMATICALLY and they started hiring massive numbers of pilots to properly staff the airline. Turned out to be a pretty decent summer.

Morale of the story: take the time off you need in order to start a long trip like that rested and ready for duty. If it affects their operation... too d*mn bad. Guess they should have thought about that before they staffed so low as to require those kinds of lines.

Seems like the fallout from May's miserable schedules at Republic resulted in some notable improvements for June. At least for DCA, there are far fewer 600am starts to trips, and fewer finishes after 900pm. In fact, there are quite a number of 22hr 4-days that start around 11am or later, and finish before 3pm, giving you multiple options for commuting in and out. I don't know what changed exactly, but I'm not going to knock it. I may actually have something that qualifies as a life in June!

 

[BoilerUP]

AWAC got the 2245 PHL-DCA flight....ugh.

 

[BoilerUP]

AWAC got the late PHL-DCA flight....ugh.

 

[JDREsquire1224]

Maybe it's me, but the amount of commutable lines is ridiculously low this month. It is a terrible month to be a line holder and sort through this mess.

 

[Minimaniac]

AWAC got the 2245 PHL-DCA flight....ugh.

That was a real bee-otch of a flight. We would always get held some 45 minutes or more for late international connecting pax...after the gate agent insisted on boarding the other passengers 45 minutes prior to departure to "get us out early".

On the upside, you guys got the EYW flying... warm sun, beer, and bikinis never gets old.

 

[BigPappa]

What happened to that FO at ASA who used to make good lines with little complaints from crews.

 

[sweptback]

What happened to that FO at ASA who used to make good lines with little complaints from crews.

He left, unfortunately. I heard he got out of aviation but I'm not sure what he is doing. Somebody else can fill you in I'm sure.

 

[VeeOne]

The lines are going to get better AFTER June when they transfer more flying to SkyWorst and we have more people standing around waiting on Retro.......

Flame Away.......

 

[scarlet]

SICK CALLS just increased in JUNE

and SUMMER !!!!

GO THERES NOTHING STOPPING YOU !!!

 

[xjlifer]

The difference between a sucky line and a good line is one well placed sick call.