ASA Hiring

[asarjfo]

The assistant program manager for the RJ was in our Recurrent class today and said the first new hire class is scheduled to start March 15 with 10 new hires and 10 upgrades for the 700 deliveries.

He forcasted 10 per month for the rest of the year.

Good Luck

 

[601Pilot]

I assume that means Basic Indoc will start on the
15th and the systems class on the 29th for the
combined upgrade/new hires. Anyone seen the
class awards for the upgrades?

 

[btflyer2]

Reserve on the 200 in DFW . . .

There was a post recently about the way reserve works at ASA. Hopefully I can find that one. But I am curious how many FO's are usually on reserve in DFW? I am assuming that most of the new hires will go to the 200, while higher time people might try to bid to the new 700's in ATL. Who wants to make a guess where the new hires will go and to what aircraft?

 

[maxcackel]

I wonder what aircraft and base the newhires will go to?

 

[CF34-3B1]

Re: Reserve on the 200 in DFW . . .

There was a post recently about the way reserve works at ASA. Hopefully I can find that one. But I am curious how many FO's are usually on reserve in DFW? I am assuming that most of the new hires will go to the 200, while higher time people might try to bid to the new 700's in ATL. Who wants to make a guess where the new hires will go and to what aircraft?

I haven't actually counted how many reserve FOs we have, but I think we must be a little thin. In the past 5 days I've flown with 2 different reserve Capt's they had flying right seat. (on the 200)

 

[sleepy]

ASA can assign newhires anywhere they want to, without regard to seniority. They could put them on the CR7 ahead of senior FO's with a bid for that aircraft in ATL. That is what I hope happens.

It's in our contract.

 

[Palerider957]

I bet it will be a mix of new hires and senior people. From a cost stand point it makes sense to put all new hires in the 700 (don't have to retrain everyone off of the 200 or ATR), but this would pi.ss a lot of people off.

I'll be interested to see the awards, anyone know when they will be posted??

 

[Medeco]

We have about 16-20 Fo's on reserve in DFW on the 200. not close to enough.

I just bid to change over to the 700 since my seniority will hold it on the prelims, I am very junior so it may not hold, but the fact that it is showing junior is indication they may put new hires on the 700 if no one will bid the vacancies. This happened in my class of 20. 10 on 200, 10 on700.I would bet they will split the larger classes up.

My goal is to get back to ATL domicile so it seems the 700 will my only chance of that this year.


bring them on!,
Medeco

 

[sleepy]

Yea, it pissed me off when they did it to me. It took me a year to get off the E-120 because they kept putting newhires on the jet. And no bypass pay either. Yea, they will do it if they can, and they don't care who the piss-off (that is a bonus for them actually).

 

[asarjfo]

ASA can assign newhires anywhere they want to, without regard to seniority. They could put them on the CR7 ahead of senior FO's with a bid for that aircraft in ATL. That is what I hope happens.

It's in our contract.

The new hires have to complete/pass the systems and sim plus IOE for the 200 before they "transition" to the 700.

That being said there are no additonal costs associated by trasitioning current 200 pilots to the 700 since the new hires have to go through the same training.

 

[Palerider957]

I guess they don't save too much in training costs, but they do save quite a bit in paying a new hires only $19.02/hr vs. a more senior FO who will make around double that. There is still a lot of incentive to put new hires in the 700.

We'll have to wait and see.

 

[asarjfo]

I guess they don't save too much in training costs, but they do save quite a bit in paying a new hires only $19.02/hr vs. a more senior FO who will make around double that. There is still a lot of incentive to put new hires in the 700.

We'll have to wait and see.

A new hire makes the same regardless of what airplane they fly. A "senior" F.O. makes approx. $4.00 more per hour on the 700 which translates into $300/month per FO on a 75 hour line. I am not saying they could not do it, but my OPINION is they will award the new slots based on senority.

 

[btflyer2]

At ASA, once you are awarded/assigned a slot as a new hire, when are you eligilble to move to a different domicile? Also, how often do they award the new domiciles? Thanks.

 

[asarjfo]

At ASA, once you are awarded/assigned a slot as a new hire, when are you eligilble to move to a different domicile? Also, how often do they award the new domiciles? Thanks.

Will future openings be at DFW or ATL? That is the big question we all want to know. I think DFW is a bit short right now so I think there will be few new hires sent out that way regardless of where the new airplanes go.

If the last 15 70o's come to ATL...and.....current DFW FO's do not bid back to ATL on the 700 (after ATL FO's who are more senior)....then.....maybe the new hires will be in ATL on the 700.....if......some of the current FO's in ATL don't bid the 700......

I hope you are as confused as I am now! I am just trying to illustrate that it really just depends on what the current pilot group does.

You can switch domiciles as soon as you can hold the position. There is no seat lock for domicile, only airplane.

Clear as Mud now.......GOOD!

 

[bailout]

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Originally posted by Palerider957
I guess they don't save too much in training costs, but they do save quite a bit in paying a new hires only $19.02/hr vs. a more senior FO who will make around double that. There is still a lot of incentive to put new hires in the 700.

We'll have to wait and see.
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>>A new hire makes the same regardless of what airplane they fly. A "senior" F.O. makes approx. $4.00 more per hour on the 700 which translates into $300/month per FO on a 75 hour line. I am not saying they could not do it, but my OPINION is they will award the new slots based on senority.<<


You missed the point. A new hire makes 19.02 an hour. A senior F/O going to the 70, will make @ $38.00 an hour. That is why you will see newhires on the 70.

 

[asarjfo]

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Originally posted by Palerider957
I guess they don't save too much in training costs, but they do save quite a bit in paying a new hires only $19.02/hr vs. a more senior FO who will make around double that. There is still a lot of incentive to put new hires in the 700.

We'll have to wait and see.
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>>A new hire makes the same regardless of what airplane they fly. A "senior" F.O. makes approx. $4.00 more per hour on the 700 which translates into $300/month per FO on a 75 hour line. I am not saying they could not do it, but my OPINION is they will award the new slots based on senority.<<


You missed the point. A new hire makes 19.02 an hour. A senior F/O going to the 70, will make @ $38.00 an hour. That is why you will see newhires on the 70.

A new hire makes $19/hour. A current 3 year 200 FO makes $35. If the company places a new hire on the 200 and current FO's move to the 700 the net increase works out to be approx. $4.00 hour.


Either you pay someone $19/hour to fly the 200 or 700.

 

[601Pilot]

True, but you add another training cycle for the
200 F/O moving over to the 700. Not sure what
the cost is to the company, but it's there.

 

[Medeco]

cost

One week of ground school and 4 sim sessions for differences training. Over the course of a year the higher paid FO will cost the company more than the first yr FO.

Medeco

 

[ASApuppy]

New hires will not go to 700. The fact that they have in the past is the sole reason we did not furlough when we retired the EMB-120's. If you disagree, then go sit down and talk to a few people in crew planning and they will spell it out for you. By having the newhires on the 700, the company was forced into the choice of an out of seniority furlough or a bunch of training cycles that would have taken months. If all of the new hires of a year ago went to the EMB, then we would be just finishing up the recalling of them. For this reason, the senior piece of equipment will be off limits to new hire assignments (we all know they don't bid). There will be nothing preventing a new hire from bidding the 700 once their seniority can hold it.

 

[Ace757]

So whats the deal with the pool. I knew a guy that was an intern there last spring, got hired, and now supposedly is no longer in the pool. It looks like future interns might want to be careful.