ASA Hiring Pool vs. Class Dates

[FinallyFlying]

Does anybody know how names are pulled from the hiring pool when class dates are scheduled? Is it first in/first out or is there some other criteria for deciding who to call from the pool and when? I received an offer letter, but I see some posts on here from candidates who interviewed after me who already have class dates but I have not received the long-awaited call.

 

[gordon24]

That happened to me. They had guys with way less experience start before me...I told them to piss off.

 

[bailout]

>>They had guys with way less experience start before me<<

And what kind of exp was that? I know them over there, and 100 hours of 121 time is worth alot more than 1000 hours 135 time to them.
The classes are filled usually by interview date AND exp level. But keep in mind, that lets say they had 20 days worth of interviewing, all those days get bunched together and then they fill classes, and then there are some people who they couldnt get ahold of, or who had to pass on the first date for whatever reason. Be patient, it will happen.

 

[jrav8tor]

So can anyone explain what's going on there? Can someone please explain the process on the assignment for a class date? I have an interview coming up and just curious.

So they send a letter for the good news?

 

[IP076]

So can anyone explain what's going on there? Can someone please explain the process on the assignment for a class date? I have an interview coming up and just curious.

So they send a letter for the good news?

As with anything that has to do with hiring in this business, there is no rational explanation at all.

 

[SkiMoguls]

That happened to me. They had guys with way less experience start before me...I told them to piss off.

You're going to go far in this industry with that attitude...hopefully I don't ever have to fly with ya.

I work for ASA and it's not perfect and the company has some things to work on, but making 65k a year to fly jets around is not all that bad.

Gordo,

Can I ask you how much experience you have? It sounds to me you have a pretty sour taste in your mouth. Can you think of a better job than flying an airplane around? I can't!

 

[FinallyFlying]

Well, coincidentally I found the answer to my own question in the July issue of the AIR, Inc. magazine. Here is what that article says:

[size=+1]ALPC:[/size][size=+1][/size][size=+1]What factors do you consider when putting together a new-hire class?
[/size][size=+1]Skoglund:[/size][size=-1] All applicants who make it into our pool are people we believe would make great employees. The first step is to select applicants that have completed the required areas of the FAA mandatory background check. I will then begin to select a class in order to have a mix of experience.
[/size][size=-1]Normally, the class will include two percent furloughed pilots and two percent low-time applicants that come from several programs with which we have relationships. These programs include pilots from various schools that have interned with ASA in the past: Delta’s Western Michigan University scholarship program, the FlightSafety Direct Tract program, and recommended applicants from Delta Connection Academy. All other pilots selected for the class will be a mixture of new hires with 121, 135, 91 experiences, and some part 61 pilots.[/size]

 

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[size=+1]Skoglund:[/size][size=-1] All applicants who make it into our pool are people we believe would make great employees. The first step is to select applicants that have completed the required areas of the FAA mandatory background check. I will then begin to select a class in order to have a mix of experience.
[/size][size=-1]Normally, the class will include two percent furloughed pilots and two percent low-time applicants that come from several programs with which we have relationships. These programs include pilots from various schools that have interned with ASA in the past: Delta’s Western Michigan University scholarship program, the FlightSafety Direct Tract program, and recommended applicants from Delta Connection Academy. All other pilots selected for the class will be a mixture of new hires with 121, 135, 91 experiences, and some part 61 pilots.[/size]

So Delta is selecting ASA's new hires under their diversity programs - more stuff to remembers as Delta claims we are an "independant airline."

Also, if the number is 2% out of a class of 20, all three preferential hiring programs would get 1.2 slots per class. That is not much return for someone who paid $35,000 at FSI, or Comair ( Delta Connection ) Academy.

 

[IP076]

Well, coincidentally I found the answer to my own question in the July issue of the AIR, Inc. magazine. Here is what that article says:

[size=+1]ALPC:[/size][size=+1][/size][size=+1]What factors do you consider when putting together a new-hire class?
[/size][size=+1]Skoglund:[/size][size=-1] All applicants who make it into our pool are people we believe would make great employees. The first step is to select applicants that have completed the required areas of the FAA mandatory background check. I will then begin to select a class in order to have a mix of experience.
[/size][size=-1]Normally, the class will include two percent furloughed pilots and two percent low-time applicants that come from several programs with which we have relationships. These programs include pilots from various schools that have interned with ASA in the past: Delta’s Western Michigan University scholarship program, the FlightSafety Direct Tract program, and recommended applicants from Delta Connection Academy. All other pilots selected for the class will be a mixture of new hires with 121, 135, 91 experiences, and some part 61 pilots.[/size]

Just a quick question....Aren't all pilots Part 61 pilots???

 

[moscowcfi]

Just a quick question....Aren't all pilots Part 61 pilots???

I think by Part 61 they mean flight instructors, such as the ones from the Delta Connection Academy. It looks to me like the ASA way of doing things is not much different from the way Comair does it. They essentially have three pools and draw roughly an equal amount from them. ASA may have a different mix and may have more pools but the concept is the same. So if it seems like other people are on a different track--they are. As always, there is no seniority until you actually get into a class.

 

[socrates1]

I had a new hire FO (at ASA) the other day who interned at Delta, NOT ASA. I found that interesting.

 

[CF34-3B1]

I had a new hire FO (at ASA) the other day who interned at Delta, NOT ASA. I found that interesting.

Are you saying the Delta internship was a factor in his/her being hired at ASA?

A lot of us did internships at majors while we were in college.

Was this some sort of WMU style minority quota filling deal? Fill us in. We'd like to know if someone on Virginia Ave is using us as a farm team for their public relations hiring scheme.

 

[tittyjet]

I work for ASA and it's not perfect and the company has some things to work on, but making 65k a year to fly jets around is not all that bad.

And the race to the bottom continues................I hope this guy's not a voting member of ALPA.

 

[SkiMoguls]

OK, you got me

tittyjet,

I am a voting member of our union and I don't know why you are so upset. What do you expect for your level of flying? 100k? Be realistic.

I think you're just mad because you use more soap than anyone else here.

 

[socrates1]

Are you saying the Delta internship was a factor in his/her being hired at ASA?

A lot of us did internships at majors while we were in college.

Was this some sort of WMU style minority quota filling deal? Fill us in. We'd like to know if someone on Virginia Ave is using us as a farm team for their public relations hiring scheme.

I believe most of the low time (300hr-500hr) pilots are usually from a school ASA has a "relationship" with. Delta Connection Academy, Flight Safety, Etc. Or they interned with ASA. I found it interesting that he did his intern with Delta, not ASA.

I dont' know what a WMU style minority quota is. Tell me what it is, and I may have an answer for you.

Cheers

 

[CF34-3B1]

I believe most of the low time (300hr-500hr) pilots are usually from a school ASA has a "relationship" with. Delta Connection Academy, Flight Safety, Etc. Or they interned with ASA. I found it interesting that he did his intern with Delta, not ASA.

I dont' know what a WMU style minority quota is. Tell me what it is, and I may have an answer for you.

Cheers

Was he low time? Did he get hired low time because of the Delta internship? Or did he just happen to have interned there as well as go to one of the schools we hire low timers from?

I know a number of former and current ASA pilots who interned with DAL, but it had no bearing at all on their being hired here. I know a lot of us interned at various majors while in college, but if this newhire was hired at ASA as a part of a program at DAL, then that's news to me>

I know DAL had been talking about doing that for the women/minority "scholarship" selectees from WMU, but I'm not sure there are any of those folks actually on ASA property. For thos of you not familiar with the concept, DAL selects "highly qualified" women and minorities, pays their way through WMU's flight program, "places" them at ASA to "get some experience" before they go on to fly for Daddy Delta. At least that's my understanding of it.

If your FO was one of them, or was the product of a similiar DAL "Farm team" type program, it's something the ASA pilots should all know is going on.

 

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If your FO was one of them, or was the product of a similiar DAL "Farm team" type program, it's something the ASA pilots should all know is going on.

I second that. If DAL management is hiring people for ASA & Comair, then why not send the furloughs over? The Delta pilots are making a big deal out of the Comair MEC asking for something in exchange for negotiating preferred hiring for Delta pilots at Comair. If we had prrof that DL management has their fingers in the pie, it would be significant.

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[socrates1]

The FO was not a minority, and I don't think he was part of any Delta "program." I didn't want to start any problems or rummors either. I always thought that the low timers had to intern with us, not a different airline.