ASA has done it

[Crash Pad]

I hate ALPA. I feel like I'm watching The Factor whenever one of those union blowhards talks.

ASA management put out that memo about 5 RJ's going to Skywest and just when I think nothing sounds worse than ALPA propoganda ASA management goes and redeams itself. Brian talking about cost when a skywest 70 pilot makes as much or more than our 70 pilots. I don't know about the rampers, dispatchers, etc... but if you can't undercut skywest mainline with the crack squad we have at all levels of ASA then I don't know what to tell ya.

This hurts me as much as you line was also disgusting. What Brian was gonna upgrade or come off reserve if we got those planes. Garbage Brian if these 5 RJ's did affect your job in any way I have a hunch you are doing something wrong in your current position.

The Salt Lake garbage. Hey smart guy any buisness major with half a brain would recognize that two airlines under the same parent at the same hub is not the most cost effective thing to do. I would suggest closing the SLC base it might make us more what was the word cost competative.

I'm now a strong yes for a strike. Not because I want to go on strike. Not because I think ALPA is right. Again I hate ALPA with every fiber of my being. I'm a yes because I want to see whoever wrote that memo lose there job. Rather than just coming out and saying Skywest got 5 new Delta 70's and letting us marinade on it. Brian comes out with that memo. That sorry excuse for a threat. You want to threaten me do it. Do it to my face. Give me a number. Tell me the average W2 of a skywest 70 pilot and ask if I can accept that. If I can't I'll tell you to go f!ck yourself. I'll say it to your face. Don't make me read between the lines on stupid memos.... I hate memos.

 

[Baronman]

Right on Crashpad...

I don't work for either ASA or Skywest but this whole 70 thing is such a blatenent attempt by management to freak out the ASA guys. Unless you have Shiny Jet Sindrome you shouldn't give a flying F that Skywest is getting them. I mean is it more money in your (ASA) pocket if those planes go to you (ASA)? Nope...They want to break the collective back of ASA over a couple bucks of 70 seat pay!

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

Rather than just coming out and saying Skywest got 5 new Delta 70's and letting us marinade on it.

I like your choice of words....Marinade on LeBarbecue. Mmmmm.

Seriously, I agree we have had enough. They think we're so stupid that we'll buy all their BS.

Maybe we are stupid as a group, but I for one have seen enough retterick about cost.....time to shut the place down! If only we had the spine to put an end to this 4-year-expired contract.

And before some wiseass calls me out on the spell-Czecher, I know how to spell rheta.....rehto.....rhetto.....

Oh, forget it.... KOOL-AID!

 

[ASApuppy]

Look, this is all crap from management. Skywest had 2 of these aircraft in Tucson for weeks now. This is not something new that Skywest was getting them. ASA management is just using the opportunity to play it against us. But, here are the facts: ASA flies the CRJ-700 cheaper than Skywest. Skywest flies the CRJ-200 cheaper than ASA, at least in the 3rd quarter of last year. Here are the numbers:

ASA CASM CR7 = 7.12 cents, crew 1.30
SKYW CASM CR7 = 9.09 cents, crew 1.43

ASA CASM CR2 = 10.06 cents, crew 1.46
SKYW CASM CR2 = 9.93 cents, crew 1.67

ASA's cost advantage on the CR7 appear to be that they are owned, for the most part, outright, and Skywest is leasing theirs. Amounts to a $260/hr difference.

You can check all the numbers yourself at airlineempires.net. Lots of interesting numbers from various carriers and various aircraft. I had no idea that the ATR's were over 18 cents a mile.

Point is, Bryan is a liar!!!!! We are cheaper. Their biggest fear is we negotiate a better deal than Skywest currently has, and Pandora's Box is open.

 

[atrdriver]

I'm now a strong yes for a strike. Not because I want to go on strike.

No one that I have talked to WANTS to go on strike. What we want is a management that respects us, treats us as we should be treated, understands that the reason that this airline does as well as it does is because of the pilots, and honors our current agreement. uncfortunatly this is NOT the management that we have. As long as the beatings continue, I will support a strike, not because I want to strike, but because it is the only tool that we have.

 

[reno]

I was in a meeting after SkyWest bought ASA and before DAL filed. Brad Holt came into the meeting to speak to us. I asked him who would get the growth aircraft, if there was any growth at DAL. His answer was simply "Whoever is cheaper".

The intention to whipsaw SkyWest and ASA against each other was designed even before the deal was inked.

Don't let them do it!

 

[Plug]

Crash,

I agree with everything you said, except, you hate ALPA with every fiber of your being? ALPA isn't perfect, but the resources ALPA provides such as aeromed. are invalueble. I just hope one day you don't need the help from an organization you so curse.

 

[shamrock]

Looks like Crash forgot to log out in the crew lounge and Hoser got on under his screen name. He had to throw in the "I hate ALPA" part to make it sound legit.

First OhPlease gets on board with a yes vote and now Crashpad has been converted. Will wonders never cease! I don't think AVoiceofReason is going to take too kindly to Crash deserting him, though.

No one that I have talked to WANTS to go on strike. What we want is a management that respects us, treats us as we should be treated, understands that the reason that this airline does as well as it does is because of the pilots, and honors our current agreement. uncfortunatly this is NOT the management that we have. As long as the beatings continue, I will support a strike, not because I want to strike, but because it is the only tool that we have.

Amen to that.

 

[Crash Pad]

First of all I don't go to the crew lounge because that would be work and I don't do that. Second. I hate ALPA. The only reason management nocked ALPA out of the who I hate more list is that memo. ALPA is blocked from my email so I don't get there memos. I wouldn't have gotten managements either except for FLiCA. This wasn't ALPA doing something right it was management doing something wrong.

Someday I may need ALPA's help and they will give it to me. Not because I like them or they like me but because I pay them. Every two weeks. I pay and I pay. I hope for all that is sacred that I do use an ALPA something.

 

[Alchemy]

You guys need one list seniority, DOH should work pretty well, no?

 

[Tomct]

:angryfireRight on CRASH! It is about time that people start getting pissed about how they are being treated by this Sh$tty mgmnt! We all need to take a stand and STAY UNITED!! When ASA posts how much money they have been making, uke:this is what you will do! They are making a tremendous amount of money every quarter! Don't let them fool you! I dare say they will exceed 60 million for the quarter! It is time to get ours! The skywst pilots should be right there with us. I would hope that they don't want the whipsaw! Maybe they will finally get the b@lls to vote in the union and put an end to this CRAP!!
Who Know's! Stike Vote NOW!! Go Get them ALPA!!

 

[shamrock]

You guys need one list seniority, DOH should work pretty well, no?

Here we go again.

 

[IFlyFL410]

You guys need one list seniority, DOH should work pretty well, no?

NO!!!

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

You guys need one list seniority, DOH should work pretty well, no?

NO! How about a % integration? Otherwise the word strike raises some interesting questions. Since we're all under the "Skywest" umbrella now, How does struck work affect the SKW pilots? I want to support ASA on this because I don't want us Whipsawed either.

That being said- I can only see one logical outcome to a strike. You may get what you ask for- only to see your fate become the same as Comairs and Expressjet. These guys will give your flying to someone else. I only hope the guys I work with can figure out a way to not do it. Wether you like ALPA or not only a unified work force is gonna put an end to this cr@p.

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

possibly



% integration may work with fences. The SLC fiasco is the one that irks pilots at SkyWEst. ASA is flying routes we had serviced with 50 seaters. There are only a few routes like SJD that we did not previously fly. ASA being in SLC is like SKYW moving 15 / 50 seaters down to Hotlanta and fly to SAV and BNA. The whipsaw definitely needs to be killed.

 

[ohplease!]

ASA being in SLC is like SKYW moving 15 / 50 seaters down to Hotlanta and fly to SAV and BNA. The whipsaw definitely needs to be killed.

you mean like comair & chitaqua? or ASA in CVG? welcome to our world, bro.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Yup, DCI is serving giant portions of $hit sandwiches....hope your hungry cause we're all gonna take a bite at some point.

 

[79%N1]

% integration may work with fences. The SLC fiasco is the one that irks pilots at SkyWEst. ASA is flying routes we had serviced with 50 seaters. There are only a few routes like SJD that we did not previously fly. ASA being in SLC is like SKYW moving 15 / 50 seaters down to Hotlanta and fly to SAV and BNA. The whipsaw definitely needs to be killed.

Are you freakin kidding me???? Do you remember ever flying out of DFW??? Everytime we turned around SKYW was doing a flight we did the month before, and you cry about SLC? We were only in SLC because Delta CLOSED OUR BASE, and forced hundreds of people to move their lives! Nobody suffered the whipsaw more than ASA. We had SKYW and CHQ in DFW, and bunches of Comair in ATL, while we mostly were stuck in those two hubs! So, sorry if I dont shed a tear that Delta moved our DFW 700 flying to SLC!

 

[Willy21]

Are you freakin kidding me???? Do you remember ever flying out of DFW??? Everytime we turned around SKYW was doing a flight we did the month before, and you cry about SLC? We were only in SLC because Delta CLOSED OUR BASE, and forced hundreds of people to move their lives! Nobody suffered the whipsaw more than ASA. We had SKYW and CHQ in DFW, and bunches of Comair in ATL, while we mostly were stuck in those two hubs! So, sorry if I dont shed a tear that Delta moved our DFW 700 flying to SLC!

Don't forget Comair was in DFW as well.

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

Are you freakin kidding me???? Do you remember ever flying out of DFW??? Everytime we turned around SKYW was doing a flight we did the month before, and you cry about SLC? We were only in SLC because Delta CLOSED OUR BASE, and forced hundreds of people to move their lives! Nobody suffered the whipsaw more than ASA. We had SKYW and CHQ in DFW, and bunches of Comair in ATL, while we mostly were stuck in those two hubs! So, sorry if I dont shed a tear that Delta moved our DFW 700 flying to SLC!

I am not in SLC. I am using SLC as an example so quit your crying about your closed hub and your late operations. I am pointing out a simple example of how ASA cries their eyes out about 5 CR7 that skyW inc. is sending to skyW. "those are asa planes" waa waa waa!!! You think you can have the best of both worlds. Quit your whining about everything under the sun. ASA by far has the most bitter whiny child pilots in all of DCI

 

[Willy21]

The only person that is crying about the 5 700's is "a voice of unreason."

 

[ohplease!]

I am not in SLC. I am using SLC as an example so quit your crying about your closed hub and your late operations. I am pointing out a simple example of how ASA cries their eyes out about 5 CR7 that skyW inc. is sending to skyW. "those are asa planes" waa waa waa!!! You think you can have the best of both worlds. Quit your whining about everything under the sun. ASA by far has the most bitter whiny child pilots in all of DCI

Sure sounds like you're cryin' to me! Cryin' about "your" lost flying. Boo Hoo. STFU!

 

[180ToTheMarker]

Sounds like Halo needs an appiontment with the Prop Mafia down in the Badda Bing Lounge. I'll make a call.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

I am not in SLC. I am using SLC as an example so quit your crying about your closed hub and your late operations. I am pointing out a simple example of how ASA cries their eyes out about 5 CR7 that skyW inc. is sending to skyW. "those are asa planes" waa waa waa!!! You think you can have the best of both worlds. Quit your whining about everything under the sun. ASA by far has the most bitter whiny child pilots in all of DCI

What a F@#king jackoff- Wanna be scab.

 

[79%N1]

I am not in SLC. I am using SLC as an example so quit your crying about your closed hub and your late operations. I am pointing out a simple example of how ASA cries their eyes out about 5 CR7 that skyW inc. is sending to skyW. "those are asa planes" waa waa waa!!! You think you can have the best of both worlds. Quit your whining about everything under the sun. ASA by far has the most bitter whiny child pilots in all of DCI

No, thats NOT all you were trying to say! Reread your post. You said you were pissed that ASA moved into SLC and did some flying SKYW used to do. Get over that. Look at what all those ASA people went through! They didnt pick that option, Delta did. And after all the flying SKYW did out of DFW, how dare you make that connection! If ASA pilots seems whiney too you, allow me to apologize on behalf of my pilot group. Pardon us while our management puts us through the ringer daily with negotiations, violating our contract daily, rumors of more base closures, etc....Gee, we should just all hold hands and sing because you think we are too whiney! Like I said again, ASA is THE MOST whipsawed Regional Airline in the country. (IMHO)
So until you walk a mile in our shoed, STFU! Wait until ASA is 'given' 5 or 10 aircraft you thought were slated for SKYW, then we'll hear YOU cry!!!!

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Sounds like we are pretty unified here at Skywest Inc. Almost there, pretty soon and we'll have Jerry over a barrel.

 

[Plug]

As soon as we can realize that we (under the Skywest Inc. banner) play for the same team the better. This is what Jerry and the boys in SGU want to see, our 2 groups squabbling over the scraps. "You took our SLC flying...." "You took our 5 airplanes...." Brian Laprick is laughing at this, the whipsaw is alive and well and until our 2 groups can stand together and say "management will do what they want to do" we are going to have these childish debates while management plays us against eachother.

 

[av8er2]

Yeah!

I am pretty sure Skywest pilots make a lot more then ASA.

Give us what is fair or I will be glad to walk.

 

[DrProc]

If ASA goes on strike, since Skywest is nonunion, will management try to make them fly struck work? And will the pilots have anything to back them up if they refuse to fly it?

 

[reno]

SkyWest pilots have never, and will not, fly struck work!