ASA flight with no FO cancelled for Weather?

[sea6t]

Flight 5600 tonight, June 22, was a nap flight to MDT that was in open time all day. There were no FO's on the reserve list. When I looked on the cancellation list, I saw that the flight had cancelled due to weather. The weather in Harrisburg is 10 miles and clear skies.
Interestingly, a delayed flight to Harrisburg, 5571, is taxiing out now- right around the scheduled departure time for the cancelled flight.
If it had cancelled for lack of crews, I guess it would have been an indication of a staffing issue. It makes you wonder how many other cancellation codes are lies...

 

[TexPilot]

You've got some serious time on your hands....

 

[Abernathy]

Report it to the DOT if you think it's significant. Our management needs to be held accountable.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Report it to the DOT if you think it's significant. Our management needs to be held accountable.

How would one do that?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

08M - Cancelled due to late checklist completion.

 

[onewithwings]

When I looked on the cancellation list, I saw that the flight had cancelled due to weather.

For us, the cancellation code depends on the person entering the code. Most of our codes are entered by gate agents who don't know or don't care which code it used.

 

[Redan]

For us, the cancellation code depends on the person entering the code. Most of our codes are entered by gate agents who don't know or don't care which code it used.

True for late codes. But are you sure that applies to cancelation codes?

 

[Mike man]

what is the whistle blower policy?

maybe the FAA needs to know as well as the inconvenienced people...if it CX for WX the airline is off the hook for hotels and other accommodations, but if it CX for no crew then ASA or Mother Delta would be on the hook for some hotels or other flights on other airlines to get those fine PAX to MDT.

 

[Ted]

I got out 1 min late the other day, and they called to ask me why. I got the CLR 2 mins prior to sched departure, and told them that. Also mentioned that it was not per the D-0 timeline they're so persistent on selling. I also sent an acars delay code. Got to the outstation and they had put it on "FC - weight and balance change....." No wonder Delta is pizzed. Too bad they are often the problem.

I got my last roundtrip cx for weather yesterday. It was storming, but nothing a little wx RADAR can't work around. They put that one on wx cancellation, but I think they were just short on airplanes and taking the easy way out. Notice that all of these weather cancels seem to happen in the hub (where they can use the airplane for something else.) I have yet to see a cancel in the outstation for wx if the airplane is sitting there.

 

[gator_hater]

1) planes/crews stuck at outstations b/c of wx related
Groundnstop
+
2) canceled flights due to lack of aircraft/crews
=
3) weather or atc cancelations.

Am I missing something?

 

[Anonymous2]

Weather cancellations means no obligation to accommodate pax in hotels. That's my guess for why it was coded as weather.

 

[sea6t]

1) planes/crews stuck at outstations b/c of wx related
Groundnstop
+
2) canceled flights due to lack of aircraft/crews
=
3) weather or atc cancelations.

Am I missing something?

To some extent, that sounds reasonable. But with that logic, all cancelled and delayed flights could be directly or indirectly weather cancellations...

The crew of flight 5600, besides the missing FO, was a nap crew, so they were all in domicile waiting to start their trip. The plane was delayed inbound, but only by an hour or two. Isn't that what naps are good for? To allow the last flight of the night to be a bit late without impacting the next days schedule? I've operated a nap 12 hours late with no passengers, for the sake of completion factor I suppose. So why cancel a nap due to weather, when the only impact of the weather would be that the flight would arrive an hour or two late? Sound fishy to me.

 

[Clutch]

Who cares! Just show up and fly the damn airplane. It's all above your paygrade anyhow.

 

[bri5150]

Who cares! Just show up and fly the damn airplane. It's all above your paygrade anyhow.

Yeah, just be quiet and don't worry about what your company is doing. How did that work for the Enron folks?

 

[gator_hater]

sea6t,

I agree that my logic leaves room for many flights to be attributed to weather, and is a bit simple. There was a little sarcasm intended. The fact is yesterday afternoon was a big ole' Charlie foxtrot with several planes returning to the gate after >2.5 hrs on the taxiways. An aircraft previously earmarked for that flight might have been needed somewhere else. Example, there might have been 10 people going on the nap flight after missed connections where pax could be accomidated in the morning and 50 people that needed to go to Springfield, MO in another corner of the airport with an aircraft that needed to go through MEM today.

As regular crew members we are not given the type of information that would make their decision clear to us. You could go to the GO and maybe get someone to help you unravel the mystery. All you'll get is a headache and a wasted afternoon. Or, you could do something productive like watch your freshly watered grass grow, surf the web for all kinds of conspiracy theories, and drink beer. Your choice.

 

[www.]

who cares! Just show up and fly the damn airplane. It's all above your paygrade anyhow.

ding ding ding!

 

[sea6t]

Gator Hater,
You are right. It is possible that it was cancelled bc of weather. There are a number of circumstances that could have occurred that I don't know about. What I do know is- the pairing was in open time for an FO all day long. I noticed it bc I considered calling scheduling and asking to trade my nap next week for it, but was worried if I told them my name, they would draft me for it and make me fly my nap next week anyway. It was on the flow board on the same aircraft each time I checked. That aircraft spent the night in Atlanta after the flight cancelled.
It is frustrating to think that someone out there is developing matrices and making decisions that will impact me based on what I suspect is just one small piece of misinformation amid tons of other inaccuracies and bs. This one happened to frustrate me more than all the others, so I thought I would share it, for what it's worth.
Although I have to note the irony of someone on a web board telling me to stop wasting my time and do something productive, you are right again. I am off to watch my grass grow. See ya!

 

[probablecause]

I guess I do have a lot of time on my hands because I see this type of thing all the time at ASA. It is easy to do when your on reserve and wondering how they are going to cover all the stuff in open time. I promise you that this was defiantly a "coding spin".

 

[Brasilia Pup]

Gator Hater,
I noticed it bc I considered calling scheduling and asking to trade my nap next week for it, but was worried if I told them my name, they would draft me for it and make me fly my nap next week anyway.

You were smart to NOT call scheduling. Per our contract, they can take away up to two days below minimum days off, and just pay you 3.95 hour/day for it. I know, it happened to me this week. They would've just said, "sure, whatever you like." and the next week's nap would have remained on your schedule.

 

[XPOO]

08M - Cancelled due to late checklist completion.

08M is a delay code, not a cancel code. And I'm guessing the original poster is also confusing a delay code for a cancel code (maybe not, I don't know, I wasn't there). Delta's weather cancel code is 01A, Maintenance is 03A, Pilot is 08A, Flight Attendant is 09A, Delta Request is 19H. Just to list a few. Hope this helps.