ASA did not lose 700s to skywest

[scarlet]

ASA did not lose those aircraft to SKW...they were never ours to begin with..

It is just that they did not chose ASA to fly them..
WE are not losing lines ...maybe losing SLC...
But weird that vp of flt ops has to make a trip to let people know that skywest wil be flying 70 seaters out of slc

 

[captain caveman]

ASA did not lose those aircraft to SKW...they were never ours to begin with..

It is just that they did not chose ASA to fly them..
WE are not losing lines ...maybe losing SLC...
But weird that vp of flt ops has to make a trip to let people know that skywest wil be flying 70 seaters out of slc

That's right. BL addressed it to turn it into a negotiating tactic with ALPA. A couple of dollars in pilot pay doesn't determine who flies what.

 

[utahpilot]

A couple of dollars in pilot pay doesn't determine who flies what.

indeed!

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

When will ASA close their SLC base?

When is ASA closing their SLC base? It seems really pointless to have two pilot groups owned by the same company based in the same Airport. If that doesn't make sense, then when is SKyW opening up an ATL base for SKyW pilots.
DAL original goal was to be prepared for a strike situation like they face with ComAir. Allocate DCI flying to 2 or more DCI feeders and then avoid problems when strike time comes.

 

[Crash Pad]

Well it would seem that a couple of dollars has determined flying at every other carrier. Oh wait ASA has better customer service than skywest? ASA has better performance than skywest then?
I think skywest has a better airline from the rampers on up. So if you are going to compete with them I would suggest being cheaper.

 

[HoserASA]

Well it would seem that a couple of dollars has determined flying at every other carrier. Oh wait ASA has better customer service than skywest? ASA has better performance than skywest then?
I think skywest has a better airline from the rampers on up. So if you are going to compete with them I would suggest being cheaper.

Crashead = Mgt
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[Crash Pad]

The above post is not a great indorsement of management. From the sweet discription of customer service to the Skywest is a better airline comment.

 

[Plug]

Well crash, if you are actually a front line employee you would see the gross incompetence of our operation. We front line employees write things up over and over again that need to be fixed and we get shunned. Per seat mile ASA is cheaper than our brothers and sisters at Skywest, nothing to be proud of just fact. If management could maybe look at the entire operation instead of taking the road most traveled by airline managements then maybe things could be better around here. Until we get rid of the old school morons running this place (read: replace with skywest brains) then nothing will change and we will continue to be the inefficient option.

 

[Muff-N-Man]

It's funny we never got a message like that from Skip when Comair announced delivery of A/C. Keep it in context with what's going on. Bryan's next step is to say that the pilots need to keep costs in line for the whole company to be able to grow. Whatever.

 

[kikejavy]

Well it would seem that a couple of dollars has determined flying at every other carrier. Oh wait ASA has better customer service than skywest? ASA has better performance than skywest then?
I think skywest has a better airline from the rampers on up. So if you are going to compete with them I would suggest being cheaper.

I disagree with you about the ramper statement. The only reason Skywest has better performance numbers than us has to do with the fact that they have fewer departures per hour than ASA does. Their departures are more spaced out and they have multiple hubs making it easier for their rampers to work airplanes in and out. I did fly in and out of Salt Lake when I flew the 70 seater and I must say I wasn't impressed with the way their rampers worked us. Our old guys in DFW beat the you know what out of SLC. And I have always been based in ATL in case you are wondering. My guess is that Skywest numbers will fall dramatically if they had to handle 600 departures a day out of ATL.

 

[ReportCanoa]

Bryan's next step is to say that the pilots need to keep costs in line for the whole company to be able to grow. Whatever.

He's already said that. Read the first negotiations update. Pilots are being tapped to finance new GPU's, catering trucks, lav carts, etc.

Possibly, ASA will paint the name of a pilot who votes yes to a concessionary contract on the side of a lav cart. Kind of like how Fedex has a lottery to get a pilot's son or daughter's name on an airplane. But not quite. But a good start for a regional, don't ya think?

 

[Russ]

"Our old guys in DFW beat the you know what out of SLC"

I'm glad you have managed to keep a sense of humor. I spent waaaay more time waiting and wanting for parking spots, releases, catering, mx, etc in DFW than I ever did in SLC.

 

[Crash Pad]

All I'm saying is I want a Union person to tell me why I should believe them. If they pull out a bunch of examples where pilots didn't take concessions and didn't get the screws put to them I'll believe them. I think ASA got some jets last year despite not taking concessions but that was when we undercut comair. Comair is back.

If you want me to walk in a line, give up pay, possibly put my family on the street, or worse make me work some 40 hour a week 10 dollar an hour gig then you better have some well thought out arguments as to why I should do those things. Good arguments do not include.

1. We deserve a fair contract- It's fair we get more than some and less than some.
2. We have negotiated for four years- Great that and a nickle will get you jack squat.
3. You're new and don't understand- Ok so I don't matter because I don't play "glory days" jacking off to George and Jon posters talking about the bandit. It's still my job, my money, and my family.
4. If we don't make a stand then... Then what we don't get to take concessions in a year. Everyone in this industry is daring us to get a "great contract" so they can upgrade or hold a line on our flying. On this board everyone is on the same team but make no mistake a furloughed Comair pilot would take all our flying and not even blink. They would then come to my house while I'm at home depot and f!ck my wife. Unity my @ss.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

CRJ-700

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Manufacturer:​

Bombardier​

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A/C Total​

Per Month​

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Maintenance​

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Average Block Hour

Crew​

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Fuel/​

Oil​

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Aircraft​

Cost​

Insurance​

Taxes​

Direct​

Burden​

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Other​

Total​

BH Cost​

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Horizon (17)

$374​

$398​

$535​

$77​

$81​

$207​

$62​

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$1,734​

$136,534​

Atlantic Southeast (16)

$441​

$471​

$277​

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$38​

$156​

$38​

$4​

$1,425​

$71,560​

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Comair (15)

$301​

$429​

$312​

$5​

$35​

$99​

$32​

$3​

$1,215​

$99,548​

American Eagle (15)

$236​

$337​

$315​

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$275​

$33​

$3​

$1,199​

$75,729​

This data is over a year and a half old, but it still gives a good picture. ASA is expensive when it comes to operating the 700. The crew cost has come down some, but so have the costs at CMR. What I find interesting is how many things there are that are out of the control of the pilots. For example, ASA did a he!! of a job negotiating lease rates. That is why we are so low in total monthly cost.​

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[DrunkIrishman]

P.S.

Sorry about the format on the above post.

 

[DrewBlows]

On this board everyone is on the same team but make no mistake a furloughed Comair pilot would take all our flying and not even blink. They would then come to my house while I'm at home depot and f!ck my wife. Unity my @ss.

I wouldn't take your flying.imp:

 

[MELIT]

I disagree with you about the ramper statement. The only reason Skywest has better performance numbers than us has to do with the fact that they have fewer departures per hour than ASA does. Their departures are more spaced out and they have multiple hubs making it easier for their rampers to work airplanes in and out. I did fly in and out of Salt Lake when I flew the 70 seater and I must say I wasn't impressed with the way their rampers worked us. Our old guys in DFW beat the you know what out of SLC. And I have always been based in ATL in case you are wondering. My guess is that Skywest numbers will fall dramatically if they had to handle 600 departures a day out of ATL.

Pathetic, now we are fighting about who's rampers are better? Whats next? My mom is better than your mom.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

I disagree with you about the ramper statement. The only reason Skywest has better performance numbers than us has to do with the fact that they have fewer departures per hour than ASA does. Their departures are more spaced out and they have multiple hubs making it easier for their rampers to work airplanes in and out. I did fly in and out of Salt Lake when I flew the 70 seater and I must say I wasn't impressed with the way their rampers worked us. Our old guys in DFW beat the you know what out of SLC. And I have always been based in ATL in case you are wondering. My guess is that Skywest numbers will fall dramatically if they had to handle 600 departures a day out of ATL.

So, what were we not impressed about exactly?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Pathetic, now we are fighting about who's rampers are better? Whats next? My mom is better than your mom.

My mom could SOOO kick your mom's a$$....

 

[MELIT]

My mom could SOOO kick your mom's a$$....

Only if she was wearing combat boots!

 

[It'll Fly]

MELIT! MELIT!! MELIT!!!

My god you do live! Everyone knows your mom is weak! But you know what I want? A Union REP to tell me that!

 

[goodto50meters]

ASA did not lose those aircraft to SKW...they were never ours to begin with..

It is just that they did not chose ASA to fly them..
WE are not losing lines ...maybe losing SLC...
But weird that vp of flt ops has to make a trip to let people know that skywest wil be flying 70 seaters out of slc

Right. And Bryan is making that trip to get spanked for not getting the pilot group to cave like he promised Jerry when he got the presidency of Atlantics Shittiest Airline.

 

[goodto50meters]

Sorry about that the Schphinkter Police caught me and altered my post. I did not mean to say "Shoottiest", I meant to say "Sh!ttiest"

But you all knew that already....

 

[goodto50meters]

Your mom got pissed at me this morning when i told her i was a lesbian.

 

[kikejavy]

So, what were we not impressed about exactly?

Every time I flew in there we had trouble getting parked and I don't mean once or twice I mean 6 weeks in a row with open gates. I loved the city loved the scenery even flew my family inn for a day trip to Park City so the kids could see some snow since we live in Florida. But what a pain it was to get these guys to push us back in time. The cleaners were great the caterers were awesome they had a bunch of kids working in the ramp I would say 23 years old on average. In my opinion as bad as ATL is those SLC guys were worst since they only had a few flights to work an hour. In ATL they have 3 rampers to work 1 ATR wich is a ground intensive A/C and they make it work over there they had 4 guys to work a CRJ-700 and still couldn't make it work.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

So, on average how many times a week did you fly in and out of SLC?

 

[Tim47SIP]

Slc

The only way I could ever get out on time in SLC was to start boarding 10-15 mins early (same in CVG) which the rampers never wanted to do. They tended to congregate in the terminal until a certain time (just like you see in ATL only they are not asleep) and wouldn't lift a finger until that time. But as said earlier, great group of individuals when they got moving. Much less stress there than ATL. I thought DFW was by far the best run, at least for the 700.

 

[everyonedoa360]

The only thing better in DFW when compaired to SLC, was ATC!

 

[MELIT]

MELIT! MELIT!! MELIT!!!

My god you do live! Everyone knows your mom is weak! But you know what I want? A Union REP to tell me that!

Yea I've been staying away from this site but is fun to check back every now and then to check on the pissing matches. How ya been?

Peace!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I haven't been through SLC in a few months but it seems the way the ramp is set up is the biggest problem. Waiting for aircraft to enter or leave the ramp seems to be the biggest delay causer in my opinion.