ASA CRJ7 lines worst ever created!!!

[Texx]

You might also give the guy a few months to get into the flow.

He has been involved with crew planning for the last year to year and a half. Talk to the people that actually work for him if you want to know whats going on.

 

[crjskipper]

texx - or should i call you pete - you are undoubtedly - an idiot. The guys who work in planning, and have been for years, are the problem. Kevin will do his best to fix it. The guys in planning should and better be nervous. They arent happy Kevin is there cause they think they can do it without him. Kevin is not the problem and the lines just didnt suddenly go bad. Next time you go to dinner with Jay and Randy dont drink so much.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Well, I'm giving KW a pass this month, but next month I'll be screaming for Willy's return.

 

[Texx]

texx - or should i call you pete - you are undoubtedly - an idiot. The guys who work in planning, and have been for years, are the problem. Kevin will do his best to fix it. The guys in planning should and better be nervous. They arent happy Kevin is there cause they think they can do it without him. Kevin is not the problem and the lines just didnt suddenly go bad. Next time you go to dinner with Jay and Randy dont drink so much.

What a putz.

The planners are TOLD what to do. 80 hour lines, how many lines etc... Half of the planners have been there for 5+ years. The lines began the turn downward about August 2005. This was directed by Gary Gross.

If your brother Kevin would listen to the people around him, management and non, that have been at this longer than he has been at ASA he might learn something.

I must say that you are correct on only 1 things, the lines began going south as I have stated above. Ask Kevin why he wants 5 day trips. I doubt that this pilot group would like them but hey, Kevin is here to help.

 

[crjskipper]

Texx - your drinking with Randy again. The lines have gotten better and worse sporadically since last Feb. Ask any 700 pilot. MM was a terrible manager but the two planners are no better. Think they are glad to have Kevin there. He's there to make it better - that tells them they werent doing a good job, which they werent. A managers job is not to do the job - it's to oversee it. The original lines on the 700 had 5 days - Kevin had them wack them, more mistakes were obviosly made.

Like I said before - he has been there for three weeks. He's a pilot. If you have ever met or flown with him he is a good guy. It wont happen overnight. Cut him slack. If you think the team he inherited is made of better stuff you dont know jack.

 

[Texx]

1. MM was a terrible manager but the two planners are no better.

2. Think they are glad to have Kevin there. He's there to make it better - that tells them they werent doing a good job, which they werent. A managers job is not to do the job - it's to oversee it.

3.The original lines on the 700 had 5 days - Kevin had them wack them, more mistakes were obviosly made.

4. Like I said before - he has been there for three weeks.

5. He's a pilot. If you have ever met or flown with him he is a good guy.

6. If you think the team he inherited is made of better stuff you dont know jack.

1. Mike was a great guy until the job go to him.

2. Do a double take. I don't think so. To oversee something you should know the job.

3. Uh, I doubt it was Kevin. He and Scott Hall were pushing for 5 days for the last several months, even when Gary Gross said don't.

4. Kevin has been breathing over their shoulder for the last 9 to 12 months. He still doesn't know how to do the job.

5. I didn't say he was a bad person. Has every pilot or person you've ever know been a "great guy"?

6. This sounds like a statement from a 200 hour FO saying he knows more than a 15,000 hour captain.

He needs to spend more time learning the job, how to build pairings and lines.

 

[crjskipper]

Last post on this because im dealing with a child. Kevin was asked to see why the lines and pairings were so bad a year ago.

It is very clear to all of us that our pairings are not good. 14 hours of duty for 6 hours of flying. Not very efficient use. The guys building the lines dont see that. They look at the average results - three day blocked at 18 hours = excellence. They dont care if there are swaps between every turn and 3 hour appreciation breaks.

MM is a very good guy - just not a good sceduling manager. Kevin wasnt put there to build the lines - thats the job of the two guys who work for him who have been building lines. His job is to make it better. No good boss steps in and takes over on the first day. Surprized his two planners arent thrilled he's there - no shocker, they both want his job.

Ive flown with Kevin and talked to him alot on our trip about the stuff he saw and was working on. He doesnt tell the planners what to do - parameters are built into a computer that contructs the lines. Kevin is trying to get that part worked out. The planners take the result and make sure it is legal and massage it.

Randy, I mean Texx - does Kevin know you are posting and not working on the lines.

 

[ERJFO]

Hey, be nice. Some places have to deal with the top lines having 13 days off.

OUCH, looks like we know who is responisble for everyone getting fucked.

 

[IFLYASA]

I've figured out who Duh Angelo is....it's Willie.

Well problem is, If it were Willie, "everaree othur wurd wood be mispeled."

 

[mamba20]

I'll look around our crew room and see if there is any KY that we can send you guys. We've been dealing with terrible lines for months now, but crew planning/mangt. has hit a new low. 13 max days off for April. Cough, cough, sneeze. . . ah I think im starting to feel sick.

 

[sweptback]

The line awards also weren't published today. I can't remember the last time they weren't published by 4 or so.

 

[701EV]

The line awards also weren't published today. I can't remember the last time they weren't published by 4 or so.

Sweptback,

Your right. It's 1252am and still no lines, what gives?

Kevin is doing one hell of a job!

701EV

 

[Long Time Gone]

Typical response from self important know-it-alls. If you think Kevin has that much control over the schedules...well, that's the problem, you're thinking. When you think, it hurts the team.

You see there are a few other 'small' factors that play into this...LIKE DELTA for example. There are also, in order of importance, other factors like; destination schedules, aircraft availability, aircraft maintenance, flight attendents, and least important, whiny a.ss cry baby pilots.

Help Kevin out, don't bash him on a public forum cause the schedule doesn't fit your needs. You might also give the guy a few months to get into the flow.

The next time, just log in as "Kevin Watts" instead of "silverandsoar".

What a putz.

You knew what you were getting yourself into, and if you didn't, you shouldn't have allowed your buddy Brian LaBroke to talk you into it. What in the h*11 is an FO with no line experience doing in charge of Crew Planning anyway????:erm: Of course I mean besides the free ride from his buddy.

Do the job or leave.....it's like that in every professional aspect.

LTG

 

[Tim47SIP]

Attitude!

MM was a terrible manager but the two planners are no better.


It is not Mikes management skills, it is his Gary Gross directed attitude! I have known him for several years. He has changed since he took the job. I went up to his office 3 years ago to say hi and noticed an ATR bid packet on his desk. I figured that since he just got off the ATR, he would fix those lines he used to complain about. I noticed that the first line was 16 days off, 1 line was 15 days off, 2 lines 14 days off, no 13 days off, 5 12 days off and the rest 11 and 10 days off (out of 80+ lines). I remarked to Mike that these lines were way worse than when we were on the ATR, why didn't they have more time off, and asked who the idiot was that put them together. He turned bright red in the face and with a very loud and agitated voice stated something similar to "those junior pilots don't deserve that much time off". I think you will find that this is how those lines have been built over the past few years.

Uh, I doubt it was Kevin. He and Scott Hall were pushing for 5 days for the last several months, even when Gary Gross said don't.

Gary saying don't? I find this very hard to believe. Gary is the steam behind the planners way of doing business. I don't believe Mike came into the job with that attitude. He had direction.

By the way, is Mike still up there??