ASA CRJ7 ATL march lines

[boknowsASA]

Good lordy these lines suck!!! What is up with all the daylines again this month and tons of 3.5hr airport breaks!!! lets hope April will be awesome with this F/O now starting to do it. He doesnt have long to make it awesome we want results yesterday!

 

[bailout]

I havent looked at the 50 lines that close yet, but just a glance shows they are MUCH better than last months so far...

 

[FmrFreightDog]

The 50 lines are a night and day difference from the past 4 months. Much much better!

 

[avpro91]

Don't know about the 7 but the 50 lines this month give you a sliver of hope for improvement.

 

[Medeco]

Good lordy these lines suck!!! What is up with all the daylines again this month and tons of 3.5hr airport breaks!!! lets hope April will be awesome with this F/O now starting to do it. He doesnt have long to make it awesome we want results yesterday!

Are you ready to burn your fellow pilot on the cross already?

Really, this guy is in a no win situation.

Just keep a fair mind when you consider why our lines are the way they are.

Just as the ATR, the CR7 is a small clump of flying, and I can only imagine that building lines at ASA or any airline is like a huge puzzle.

You know how we have the sort option on FLICA when we look for the lines we want most?

Imagine all the parameters that must be met for a pairing to be usable/profitable by the company and likable/contractual/etc. by the pilots.

Not to mention if you asked 100 pilots what type of flying they prefer, you would get 50 different answers at the minimum.

The CR2 lines are very respectable for march, and I am not sure how much input Kevin had on these, but if he did, then we are going in a good direction.

161 lines with 15 days off and mostly three days

other lines with 7 day breaks

YUL overnights with lots of time on the ground

Just try to give the guy a chance before we hang him in the crew room.



Medeco

 

["GO AROUND"]

The company has many restictions to the parameters for trips. The problem is they don't have the vision to see that if they adjust them just a little bit things will work out better. Hopefully the new guy will have this vision.

 

[Texx]

Just as the ATR, the CR7 is a small clump of flying, and I can only imagine that building lines at ASA or any airline is like a huge puzzle.

The CR2 lines are very respectable for march, and I am not sure how much input Kevin had on these, but if he did, then we are going in a good direction.

Just try to give the guy a chance before we hang him in the crew room.

Medeco

Kevin had very little to do with March lines. The big change was on min. 80 hrs. block. Gary was putting a min. of 80 hrs. block on all lines except CDO. This was probably the biggest problem when it came to good lines. This had been going on for about the last 6 to 9 months.

If Kevin is smart he will just sit back and allow the Planners to do their job. They understand what the pilots would like to see in lines and pairings and they do their best to build them. Just remember, how long have the planners been doing this and how long has Kevin been here. The planners have him beat hands down. Hands off is the best action.

 

[Airboss]

50 trip

Did anyone on the 50 notice this trip? You DEADHEAD to CVG at 6 am and don't leave until 1 pm the NEXT day! Why not make it a 3 day

MO DH 4141 ATL-CVG 0600 0725 CVG 2935
D-END: 0740L (NR 900)

REPT: 1315L

TU 4251 CVG-CAE 1400 1522

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Nothing against Kevin at all but many of the 200 lines are crap. 30hr overnites with a DH back, sit then a RT. ALOT of those type trips. Kevin has his work cut out for him. Total waste of crews to sit at an overnite for that long. No excuse.

 

[=w=]

Did anyone on the 50 notice this trip? You DEADHEAD to CVG at 6 am and don't leave until 1 pm the NEXT day! Why not make it a 3 day

MO DH 4141 ATL-CVG 0600 0725 CVG 2935
D-END: 0740L (NR 900)

REPT: 1315L

TU 4251 CVG-CAE 1400 1522

Yeah I noticed that. Only thing I could figure is they want to DH pilots on light load flights as best they can... and can't DH on the same day using the same flight since that would be 1605 duty day... so there ya go. I'm sure you can get an alternate deadhead though and get yourself up there some other time.

 

[Flyer1015]

Under this current, 3+ year outdated agreement at ASA,

what's the deadhead paid at?

50%, 75%, 100% of hourly rate?

 

[=w=]

100% DH pay

 

[~~~^~~~]

Yeah management wants to cut DH pay. I'm the opposite, I would rather penalize them for using me inefficiently while trying to find room for my overnight bag and sitting with my legs propped up on my flight bag being asked questions by inquisitive Delta passengers about how much I make and when we are going on strike. I think DH should be 250%.

 

[Smacktard]

Nothing against Kevin at all but many of the 200 lines are crap. 30hr overnites with a DH back, sit then a RT. ALOT of those type trips. Kevin has his work cut out for him. Total waste of crews to sit at an overnite for that long. No excuse.

You guys actually think he has that much say in the lines? It's pretty simple really, Delta feeds us the locations and times, software then 'optimizes' aircraft, aircraft maintenance schedules, pilots and flight attendents. The holes are filled manually. There isn't much lee way to make things 'better'. I figured it would take a month or two before people start accusing Kevin of being a turncoat and 'making' such crappy schedules.

 

[No Delay]

I personally thought the lines (at least for the 50) were pretty good this month. Tons of 3 days. Blocks seem to be evened out a little better.

The V1 newsletter (or whatever its called) has an article about why they had to build some of the crazy DH and 30 hr overnights. That little bit of explanation went a long way with me. I think if we have an understanding of what they are having to deal with (just as we want them to understand how they affect us as pilots) it makes it a little easier on every one.

This is why we need rigs. I wouldn't mind a 30 hr overnight if I was getting paid more than $45.

 

[shamrock]

I think DH should be 250%.

As should Junior Man pay. That might make them use a reserve instead of waiting until an hour before departure to cover the flight using some unlucky person just off a 4 day.

 

[Palerider957]

As should Junior Man pay. That might make them use a reserve instead of waiting until an hour before departure to cover the flight using some unlucky person just off a 4 day.

It really wouldn't matter, ASA would always rather waste your time then staff adequately. Currently there is ABSOLUTELY NO reason not to waste your time.....you come cheap. (not just you Shamrock, all ASA pilots)

 

[shamrock]

It really wouldn't matter, ASA would always rather waste your time then staff adequately. Currently there is ABSOLUTELY NO reason not to waste your time.....you come cheap. (not just you Shamrock, all ASA pilots)

Yeah, I know.

I had figured that given enough incentive and opportunity the company might eventually use a bit of common sense, but I no longer hold out any hope of that ever happening around here. It's all about control, not efficiency or logic.

And I wasn't speaking of myself in my first example, I was referring to some of the reserve Captains and FAs I've flown with. I bounce between 3 days and naps which makes it a bit harder to mess with me, and every time I've been extended/jr manned I've been underblock so they've never had to pay me much for my time. Guess they might not be as dumb as they look/act after all.