ASA Converts CRJ200's to CRJ700's

[79%N1]

So let it be! At least I will have some dignity left. I think the time has unfortunately finally arrived to start looking for a different field of employment.

Hey, I'm with you. Ive been here 3 years and was looking at AT LEAST 2 years to the left seat.......now, it will probably more like 5 more years. Best case, all future DCI growth will go to MESA. They are a weed, and JO is aggressive and a weasle! Of course, worst case is what I said before, MESA replaces ASA. At any rate, our chances of getting a decent contract is all but down the drain! Go look at MESA's current contract, and somebody explain to me how we can expect to do any better now???? No way on earth!

I love my job, and I love flting airplanes ----- BUT I HATE THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY!

It may be time to do something else, and let some MESA dude sit in the right seat of a jet for 8 years making $35,000/year!

 

[ComeOnSkip]

Heres the worst part of this for ASA pilots......

We strike in the fall. USAIR tanks. Delta replaces ASA with all the Mesa airplanes available from USAIR!!

DONT THINK DELTA DIDNT THINK OF THIS!!!

ASA PILOTS ARE SCREWED BY THIS MOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comair flew 815 flights a day at the time of the strike. ASA is doing a lot more than that (can't find the exact number). Even if Mesa scabbed in to pickup some of the flying, they wouldn't be able to cover it all. Delta would also have 160 some airplanes sitting on the ramp, which ramp I'd like to see. That'd kill ATL, the heart of Delta's operation. Delta would get creamed in the bottom line, something they can't afford at all. And, I'm sure we'd get some support from those loyal to ASA, ie Delta and Comair (afterall, if Delta goes into bancruptcy, they're losing a lot too.) No, Delta does not know this with Mesa. A strike at ASA would be the final nail. Don't think for a second it wouldn't. It is still a major chip in our negotiations.

As for those Mesa f@gs, they'd be flying struck work, which we all know they would likely do (http://www.mesa-air.com/article_05222001a.html), but then we'd officially be able to call them scabs. We wouldn't be the only ones to punish them in the future, they'd have all the other airlines to deal with too.

 

[CF34-3B1]

Comair flew 815 flights a day at the time of the strike. ASA is doing a lot more than that (can't find the exact number). Even if Mesa scabbed in to pickup some of the flying, they wouldn't be able to cover it all. Delta would also have 160 some airplanes sitting on the ramp, which ramp I'd like to see. That'd kill ATL, the heart of Delta's operation. Delta would get creamed in the bottom line, something they can't afford at all. And, I'm sure we'd get some support from those loyal to ASA, ie Delta and Comair (afterall, if Delta goes into bancruptcy, they're losing a lot too.) No, Delta does not know this with Mesa. A strike at ASA would be the final nail. Don't think for a second it wouldn't. It is still a major chip in our negotiations.

I have to wonder if somehow this is a management strategy designed to give them an excuse to file CH11. "Hey, it's not our fault those bad old ASA pilots walked out, now we're CH11, and oh darn, the DAL PWA goes before the judge....." As obtuse as they seem to be, I can't believe the Virginia Ave. rocket scientists can't understand that this whole Mesa deal pretty much has ensured there will be a strike vote at ASA. They CAN'T just be doing it because Mesa is cheaper. There HAS to be more to it, some evil hidden plan.

On the other hand, we all know how very much management cares about customer service. Mesa is obviously a great way to do even better.........

As for those Mesa f@gs, they'd be flying struck work, which we all know they would likely do (http://www.mesa-air.com/article_05222001a.html), but then we'd officially be able to call them scabs. We wouldn't be the only ones to punish them in the future, they'd have all the other airlines to deal with too.

Only the ones that are actually Americans.

The rest will just go home to Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, etc.

 

[tron4000]

OK lets summarize:

1. We hate Mesa
2. We hate Chittytacqkrwyaua but its true karma to hear them whining that Mesa can now undercut them in DCI....pot complaining the kettles black
3. Exceptions is the gayest freq ever, lets make a radio call for everything, security, commissary, blah blah and should now be addressed as Concessions

Time to go apply at Home Depot

 

[CF34-3B1]

Time to go apply at Home Depot

Since they have so many qualified applicants, I heard they are going to start requiring 1000PIC and an internal recomendation.

 

[ComeOnSkip]

3. Exceptions is the gayest freq ever, lets make a radio call for everything, security, commissary, blah blah and should now be addressed as Concessions

Now that's funny.

 

[bvt1151]

Since they have so many qualified applicants, I heard they are going to start requiring 1000PIC and an internal recomendation.

So is that

 

[atrdriver]

ASA is continually taking concessions. They voted the extension down, but that is all a moot point if they can't force management's hand before the proposed and extended amendable date. The end result is no different, except that it gives some pilots the jaded sense that they held the line.

So in other words, you are saying that CMR took 3+ years of concessions during their contract talks while we had an industry leading contract, PLUS the concessions that you just voted for? Is that what you are saying?

 

[bvt1151]

So in other words, you are saying that CMR took 3+ years of concessions during their contract talks while we had an industry leading contract, PLUS the concessions that you just voted for? Is that what you are saying?

Yes...except for one major difference. Comair was able to achieve an industry leading contract from their 3 years of negotiations. ASA may still be able to do this, but its becoming more and more difficult, especially with Mesa being announced.

Please remember what that conversation was about. It was about ASA pilots blaming their problems on Comair's pay freeze. Not me critisizing the ASA pilots' actions...regardless of what the countless posters after have written. I trust you've got the maturity to read the post thoroughly before responding.

 

[~~~^~~~]

I'm printing up ICN bag tags for Mesa Crew Bags. Pull them from the plane, leave them on the ramp, next stop - K O R E A, baby!

 

[bvt1151]

Please forgive the ignorant, but what exactly is ICN?

Inchon?

 

[Plug]

Sinca,
Have you even read the thread to understand where this discussion started, or are you just content jumping in at the end and calling it "a bitching match"? I'll post the quote that started all of this:



ASA is continually taking concessions. They voted the extension down, but that is all a moot point if they can't force management's hand before the proposed and extended amendable date. The end result is no different, except that it gives some pilots the jaded sense that they held the line. You will have done no such thing until you force management to sign a new contract. I'm not bashing ASA pilots one bit for not forcing their hand. In fact I don't think its the right time to be negotiating contracts anyways, but you need to be careful when you bash Comair by saying that ASA took no concessions for growth.

You were assigned aircraft over Comair because you were so much cheaper to operate. Your pilot contract (or lack of one) is the leading reason why that happened. So call it what you will, but you did not refuse those aircraft because they were based on a contract that you were actively trying to renegotiate. Rather, you accepted the aircraft while conceding the opportunity to force management to negotiate a new contract. To rephrase that sentence, ASA gave concessions for growth. If it makes you feel better that you did not vote for the extension, fine, but in the end, there is no difference whether or not you voted for the extension or not. If you're not willing to use your capital to force a contract before the proposed extension date, there is absolutely no difference than if you had voted it in.

"Congratulations on your no-prize, didn't-win-nothin victory." (Sprite Commercial)

Back pay dumb arse!!!

 

[ProLine4]

Since they have so many qualified applicants, I heard they are going to start requiring 1000PIC and an internal recomendation.

Uh Oh. Just got off the phone with Home Depot HR, and its not good.

I have lots of time in Toyota forklifts and JBL boomlifts, but their fleet is all Clark, and they wanted me to go take the Clark 10-day advanced operators class and pay for it myself. Some company called Higher Lift Operations, and its $#!*% $7000 just so I can get the job.....

 

[atrdriver]

Yes...except for one major difference. Comair was able to achieve an industry leading contract from their 3 years of negotiations. ASA may still be able to do this, but its becoming more and more difficult, especially with Mesa being announced.

And you were about the last contract signed pre 9/11. And please remember that when you were negotiating your last contract we were the ones with the industry leading agreement, and we did not do anything that might have hindered your groups ability to negotiate anything better than what we already had. It's a new landscape now...I guess we'll see what happens.

 

[Palerider957]

I'm printing up ICN bag tags for Mesa Crew Bags. Pull them from the plane, leave them on the ramp, next stop - K O R E A, baby!

LMAO....Dam.n, I about wet myself reading that!