asa, chq or awac

[saviboy]

I "should" have an interview with AWAC in about 2 months and with ASA, whenever they ll want.
I can also have my resume walked in at CHQ and it appears that their pool is empty and they are hiring again. for CHQ, I dont have the 1500hr requirement for the E170 and I dont really care about flying a 70 seater as the pay is very close to the 50 seater's. (correct me if Im wrong)

I think I know pretty well what AWAC has to offer.
but what about ASA and CHQ?
1) pay during training( hotel accommodations?)
2) trip and duty rigs?
3) junior base
4) guaranteed days off?
5) commuter clause?
6) QOL?
7) anything else? (such as medical, headset, uniform expense as with AWAC)

thanks

 

[saviboy]

Any info on PSA as well?

 

[FlamingFUPA]

CHQ?
1) pay during training( hotel accommodations?) 250/wk double occupancy hotel room
2) trip and duty rigs? nope grrrrr
3) junior base changes all the time
4) guaranteed days off? 11 reserve/12 lineholder (no junior manning)
5) commuter clause? yup
6) QOL? i can't complain, but i live in base
7) anything else? standard stuff medical, dental, vision, 401k, uniform allowance

thanks

that is for chq, correct me if i'm wrong anybody

 

[saviboy]

thanks
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["GO AROUND"]

I think I know pretty well what AWAC has to offer.
but what about ASA and CHQ?

ASA
1) pay during training( hotel accommodations?)Paid hotel, paid during training(guarantee + 24 hour per diem). Last I checked.
2) trip and duty rigs?Should in new contract, whenever we get that.
3) junior base ATL and SLC, ATL is junior, rumour is SLC will close.
4) guaranteed days off?10
5) commuter clause?See #2
6) QOL?Hit or miss, right now it's ok for ASA. QOL is a huge improvement needed in our new contract.
7) anything else? (such as medical, headset, uniform expense as with AWAC)Company provides DC's on aircraft, $15 bucks a month for uniforn, medical is pretty good vision and dental extra.

thanks

Hope that helps.

 

[saviboy]

Hope that helps.

sure does, thanks

 

[DrProc]

I "should" have an interview with AWAC in about 2 months and with ASA, whenever they ll want.

Just wondering why you "should" get an interview, over the hundreds, if not thousands of other applicants?

 

[saviboy]

Just wondering why you "should" get an interview, over the hundreds, if not thousands of other applicants?

I had an interview scheduled with awac for the day after tommorow. its been canceled and I am in a pool for the end of march.
I received a call from ASA, the lady told me they ll be conducting interviews in a couple of months.

I am not sure for CHQ even though I can have my resume walked in by a friend.
I have no clue about PSA but am thinking about sending my resume.

 

[saviboy]

I am also a part time fortune teller

 

[Baronman]

CHQ pays all their FOs the same, whether they fly the 70 seater or 50 seater. At least that's what I see on Airline Pilot Central pay scale. But heck...it's a 70 seater, maybe we should pay them to fly!!

 

[sweptback]

Hope that helps.

The only addition I would make is that ASA only pays you 24-hr per diem if you're based in somewhere other than your training location. (ie, based in SLC with ATL training) This is unlikely as all vacancies will come from ATL I'm sure.

 

["GO AROUND"]

I thought everyone got 24 hr per diem until they finished IOE? Did they change it? I was DFW based in the beginning but I thought all the guys in my class got 24 hr per diem.

 

[saviboy]

thanks for the answers.
any other input?

 

[SiouxHockeyFan]

I am not sure how chq and ASA are, but Air Willy is block or better per leg not per day or month or bid period which can be a substantial amount of money flying in the NE like AWAC(PHL). fully deadhead pay and wx/mx/cancellation pay. Most important though is go where you get the job. AWAC QOL is great for me, but I live in base. NO matter where you go you will learn quickly the best part of the job is your ability to complain about everything. We will never be happy and that includes me. Good Luck!

 

[shamrock]

I thought everyone got 24 hr per diem until they finished IOE? Did they change it? I was DFW based in the beginning but I thought all the guys in my class got 24 hr per diem.

Only the DFW guys got per diem when I came here in '02. There were so many questions about it that the Company contract expert/reinterpreter came in to our Ops class to explain to us that we weren't going to get it.

 

[sweptback]

I am not sure how chq and ASA are, but Air Willy is block or better per leg not per day or month or bid period which can be a substantial amount of money flying in the NE like AWAC(PHL). fully deadhead pay and wx/mx/cancellation pay. Most important though is go where you get the job. AWAC QOL is great for me, but I live in base. NO matter where you go you will learn quickly the best part of the job is your ability to complain about everything. We will never be happy and that includes me. Good Luck!

ASA is all of the above (block or better per leg, 100% DH and CNX pay).

QOL is so-so. 10 days off per bid, limited swap/drop provisions, no commuter clause, etc. However, new contract will take care of all of the above, I'm sure.

 

[RP170]

CHQ is:

1) Block or better per leg not per day.

2) CNX pay if there is at least a 98.5% completion factor system wide for the month.

3) 75% DH pay.

4) 12 days of min per month for lineholder and 11 for reserve

Best part of the contract here is no Junnior Manning. Everything else is pretty average I'd say.

 

[mamba20]

I wouldn't even consider PSA. Upgrade here is never going to happen. Our contract sucks and mangt violates it so often that we might as well not even have it.

 

[1973Arrow]

ASA or CHQ look like the best two options right now. Got the company e-mail from the folks at HQ, doesn't look like the Willy is going to be hiring at the rate they were. If it wern't for that 'minor' issure, I'd say keep after Wisconsin, it's been a great place.

 

[saviboy]

thanks a lot to everyone
1) is "block or better" the same as trip and duty rig?
2) whats CNX pay and what is 98.5 completion factor system wide
3) and finally whats 75 DH pay

thanks

CHQ is:

1) Block or better per leg not per day.

2) CNX pay if there is at least a 98.5% completion factor system wide for the month.

3) 75% DH pay.

4) 12 days of min per month for lineholder and 11 for reserve

Best part of the contract here is no Junnior Manning. Everything else is pretty average I'd say.

 

[BoilerUP]

thanks a lot to everyone
1) is "block or better" the same as trip and duty rig?

Block or better means if the block time is 1:50 and it takes 1:35 to get there, you get 1:50 pay (block). If it takes 2:18 to get there, you get paid 2:18 (better). This is HUGE at places like ORD and IAD (and PHL, so I hear) where delays are common. Trip and Duty rig means you get paid for a certain number of hours on duty and hours per your trip; most places, you get whatever pays more - daily block or better, daily duty rig, or trip rig. That's what allows you to get paid more than perdiem for really long overnights, and its called "soft money" sometimes.

2) whats CNX pay and what is 98.5 completion factor system wide

CNX is cancellation pay. If a flight cnx due to wx, mechanical, etc you are pay protected - I think most places you are paid the scheduled block time. Can't answer the other part of the question, but I think CHQ gets CNX pay only if their monthly completion is 98.5%.

3) and finally whats 75 DH pay

75% deadhead pay. Lets say you are scheduled on a deadhead that is scheduled for for 1:20 block, you would get paid for 1 hour, or 75%.

 

[saviboy]

thanks boiler,
another question:
1) what kind of completion are they talking about?

"CNX pay only if their monthly completion is 98.5%."

2) for the trip and duty rigs, does it vary a lot from one company to the other?

thanks

 

[BoilerUP]

thanks boiler,
another question:
1) what kind of completion are they talking about?

"CNX pay only if their monthly completion is 98.5%."

Completion just means that the flight got to its destination. In this case, as long as 98.5% of flights reached their destination, they would get paid for cancelled flights.

2) for the trip and duty rigs, does it vary a lot from one company to the other?

It does, and I don't think many regionals have rigs in their contract. Work rules like this and others allow pilots to credit (sometimes much) more than they fly each month.

 

[saviboy]

thanks a lot
apart from AWAC, do you guys know what company has trip ans duty rigs? (Mesa? just kidding!!)

 

[wings421]

thanks a lot to everyone
1) is "block or better" the same as trip and duty rig?
2) whats CNX pay and what is 98.5 completion factor system wide
3) and finally whats 75 DH pay

thanks

Its the company's way of not paying us for cancelled flights most months. Example: this month with the storm in the northeast. We won't make 98.5%, so we won't get paid for our cancelled flights. (Of course I assume we won't make 98.5% but you know what assuming does.)

 

[RP170]

thanks a lot
apart from AWAC, do you guys know what company has trip ans duty rigs? (Mesa? just kidding!!)

It's nice to see you are actually doing some research and looking into what the differences are between contracts. Most guys just take whatever job they can get and don't put any reasearch or effort into choosing a decent regional, hence all the guys you see going to Mesa and allowing the race to the bottom to continue.

 

[saviboy]

Thanks but the sad part is that the guy at Mesa might be the only one keeping his job in the long run. This industry is really f...d up. :angryfire

It's nice to see you are actually doing some research and looking into what the differences are between contracts. Most guys just take whatever job they can get and don't put any reasearch or effort into choosing a decent regional, hence all the guys you see going to Mesa and allowing the race to the bottom to continue.

 

[spiffomatic]

Thanks but the sad part is that the guy at Mesa might be the only one keeping his job in the long run. This industry is really f...d up. :angryfire

... not if you and others refuse to work for them. just about everyone I knew who cared enough to look into work rules, etc of the regionals took jobs elsewhere. Take pride in your decision. Block or better alone was enough to sway me... I couldn't imagine sitting on the ground in an hour-plus wx realated lineup - or in a holding pattern, figuring fuel conservation and bingo fuels, consulting w/ dispatch while they give you possibly bogus fuel numbers, considering reroutes, pax issues, etc at the end of a long day and getting no pay for it - it's one of the most demanding parts of the job.