ASA Bucket-- I Mean Suckit System

[enuffalready]

Ok... tell me I where I am wrong... this bucket system sucks it.

fly me or no preference does not make sense.

How about fly me... don't fly me...

After all the Fly me pilots, then then go into the bucket based on pilots that have flown the least??? Isn't that the point of don't fly me?? If I am senior and I don't fly, I get guarantee. THat usually means someone junior ( read gets paid less) actually flys the trip and it costs the company less money. Why would they make it so that the pilot who makes more and does not want to fly gets picked and the pilot who makes less stays home. This is lose-lose. Company has to pay more for senior pilot to fly... and senior pilot who wants to stay home now has to fly.

anyone?? anyone?

 

[WWEfan]

No idea. Go to a road show and ask the CNC.

 

[SSDD]

The bucket system allows the company to operate with minimum reserves, so there seldom is more than one person in the same bucket. So very few junior/senior conflicts there. The other thing is that with bucket system, the company works it so that most people never break guarantee, so it doesn't cost them any more.

So its actually a win/lose situation with the pilots on the "lose" side.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

The bucket system allows the company to operate with minimum reserves, so there seldom is more than one person in the same bucket. So very few junior/senior conflicts there. The other thing is that with bucket system, the company works it so that most people never break guarantee, so it doesn't cost them any more.

So its actually a win/lose situation with the pilots on the "lose" side.

Yup, got a lot of senior guys to stop bidding reserve...great deal(for management)!!

 

[SkyNation]

The other thing is that with bucket system, the company works it so that most people never break guarantee, so it doesn't cost them any more.

this isn't an endorsement of the system, merely a clarification.

I spent a ton of time on reserve as an FO in SLC, our largest base. I made more those months than any other, and I always broke guarantee.

 

[Bako Cap]

The bucket system sucks at SkyWest. There is no reserve transparency, no way for non-reserves to find out what bucket reserves are in, and very little info for reserves on the seniority of reserves in various buckets. I did reserve on the old seniority system and it was pretty cool. I will NEVER go on reserve here again due to the bucket system. ZERO accountability for management. Bucket system coupled with PBS means life at SkyWest really sucks for reserves and junior pilots.

 

[Long Time Gone]

But SkyNation said it was FANTASTIC. I thought he was the "all knower".

 

[jayme]

Bucket system blows. Fewer people break guarantee, and fewer people get to sit and home and be relatively sure they're not going to be called.

SAPA agreed to it in exchange for empty promises and then didn't alert the pilot group when it became apparent that we were lied to.

You guys have to decide if it is worth throwing reserves under the bus in exchange for good stuff for the majority of the pilot group.

We were never afforded that option.

 

[SSDD]

But SkyNation said it was FANTASTIC. quote]

Did you expect anything else from Skynation???????

 

[j41driver]

We were never afforded that option.

Isn't that because you don't have a union?

 

[SkyNation]

But SkyNation said it was FANTASTIC.

please show me where I said the bucket system was FANTASTIC.

 

[skywav8r]

Bucket system sucks...period.

 

[Red Baron 03]

I have not made up my mind on this TA yet, but believe it or not, this "bucket system" is actually an improvement to our current system at ASA.

Currently if you are on reserve you are basically the company's biaatch. You pretty much only have FAR limitations without any visibility on where you stand as far as getting called out. The TA summary says that you will have complete visibility on where you are in the bucket, where everybody else stands, what everybody else's current assignment is and what open time is sitting out there needing to be covered.

I was on reserve at ASA for over a year as an FO and captain. I know, I know, not very long compared to some. When our contract became amendable 5 years ago I was a captain on reserve and this section was very important to me as well as to others who endured the abuse of the schedulers. At least the TA gives some structure and an enforceable framework of rules under which the schedulers must operate.

The way it is now some people fly over 75 hours and some never get called at all. I think they get a list of reserves and start at the top and work their way down without any accountability or preference by the pilot taken into consideration. I think I was always at the bottom of the list because I would go weeks and one time a couple of months without getting called. Good for me because after awhile I didn't want to work anyway, but not very fair or good for proficiency. It also eliminates the practice of some knotheads bringing pizzas etc. to the schedulers to suck up.

I don't know what being on reserve was like before they changed whatever they changed at skywest without your consent and made it worse, but from what I can see our reserve pilots are far from being thrown under the bus as someone said earlier in this thread

This "bucket system" is only one part of the reserve pilot changes. The negotiators obviously spent a lot of time and thought on this section and it shows.

 

[SkyNation]

but from what I can see our reserve pilots are far from being thrown under the bus as someone said earlier in this thread

you have to bear in mind that a very vocal minority on this board does not speak for the SkyWest group.

SkyWest could tell us tomorrow that they're going to give us all $10,000, and all we have to do is pick up a check from our CP. Then the usual whiners would scream 'you mean we have to actually go in and pick it up?!!'

 

[cathal]

At mesaba, ALPA is allowed to review all reserve preferences and assignments, making the system transparent.
Maybe this belongs in SkyWest thread, but my point is made.

 

[jayme]

Isn't that because you don't have a union?

That was my point.

 

[jayme]

I don't know what being on reserve was like before they changed whatever they changed at skywest without your consent and made it worse, but from what I can see our reserve pilots are far from being thrown under the bus as someone said earlier in this thread.

Cool. Sounds like this isn't a big loss for you guys. It was for us, and we got NOTHING in return for it.

Just to be crystal clear, we got screwed because SAPA let us down, and I don't think ALPA reps would have.

 

[Red Baron 03]

you have to bear in mind that a very vocal minority on this board does not speak for the SkyWest group.

SkyWest could tell us tomorrow that they're going to give us all $10,000, and all we have to do is pick up a check from our CP. Then the usual whiners would scream 'you mean we have to actually go in and pick it up?!!'

SkyNation, I am not endorsing the "bucket system" for skywest pilots or any other pilot group. It seems that for the Skywest pilots the "bucket system" as implemanted on your property is a step back. I can only speak for myself and my perception of our TA as it applies to ASA pilots. My perception is that our reserve section is a step forward for us.

I am sorry if your group has had something good taken away, and your "bucket system" is a step back for your pilot group.

I was only responding to the perception that a 'bucket system" was 'bad" for any pilot group.

Any structure and accountability forced upon our schedulers as it applies to dealing with reserve pilots is a step forward for us. And I am glad I have the ability to have a say in the implementation of our work rules as they apply to all of our pilots. I hope I will never have to go back on reserve but you never know.

 

[ASACAPT]

Guys, please attend the road shows. All of this will be explained in detail. This system is based on the same system that express jet has. There is complete transparency with respect to the buckets, so you will be able to see where you are in the call out list.

 

[Long Time Gone]

please show me where I said the bucket system was FANTASTIC.

Okay, no problem......

I spent a ton of time on reserve as an FO in SLC, our largest base. I made more those months than any other, and I always broke guarantee.

Sounds like FANTASTIC to me. I sure won't clasify that as SUCKY.