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ASA's profit margin puts it at head of the regional pack
Fourth-quarter report: Analysts are impressed with the carrier's figures, which some say will grow
By Paul Beebe
The Salt Lake Tribune
Salt Lake Tribune
SkyWest Inc. may have acquired a cash cow when it bought Atlantic Southeast Airlines from Delta Air Lines last September.
ASA, which like SkyWest Airlines flies as Delta Connection for Delta, generated an operating profit margin of 13.1 percent in the fourth quarter - the best financial performance of the seven biggest regional carriers in the United States, according to a U.S. Transportation Department report released Monday.
"It's very good. It's significantly better than the industry average, which in that [segment] seems to be running about 10 percent," said Helane Becker, an airline analyst with Benchmark Co. in New York.
An airline's operating margin measures how profitable its business is before paying taxes. The margin is calculated by dividing operating profits by sales.
ASA's operating profit was $42 million in the final three months of 2005, according to the transportation report. Revenue totaled $320 million.
By contrast, SkyWest Airlines, the St. George-based cousin of Atlanta-based ASA, earned an operating profit of $43 million - just $1 million more. SkyWest's profit was on revenue of $422 million, producing a still-healthy margin of 10.3 percent.
Whether ASA can continue producing strong financial results is uncertain. The company has a poor on-time record that could alienate travelers. Its operating costs are higher than SkyWest Airlines', something CEO Jerry Atkin has pledged to reduce.
"I assume [ASA's] operating margins will come down to that 10 percent [industry average] level. Delta is trying to lower its costs to return to profitability," Becker said.
SkyWest executives were unavailable for comment Monday.
During a speech in Salt Lake City last month, the company's top financial officer, Bradford Rich, joked that it would take a couple of years to determine whether the ASA acquisition justified the attention it has received on Wall Street lately.
Earlier this month, Calyon Securities analyst Ray Neidl predicted SkyWest shares would reach $34 in the next year. On Monday, shares closed at $23.91, down 35 cents.
Mike Boyd, president of the Boyd Group, an Evergreen, Colo.-based airline consulting company, thinks ASA's performance will weaken in the future.
"ASA is a [provider] of service for Delta," Boyd said. "That 13 percent is based on what Delta agreed to pay them, not on what they did on their own. That's probably going to change going forward."
SkyWest bought ASA for $425 million. The deal closed Sept. 7, a week before Delta filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, raising cash for the nation's third-biggest airline.
Delta is using the money, as well as millions more, to overhaul itself and, it hopes, to emerge from bankruptcy in 2007.
The Transportation Department report underscored the financial problems major airlines like Delta are having. As a group, big airlines produced a $1.3 billion operating loss in the fourth quarter, resulting in a -8.4 percent operating loss margin.
By contrast, regional carriers, including ASA and SkyWest, earned a total of $211 million, producing an 8.7 percent profit margin.
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"ASA is a [provider] of service for Delta," Boyd said. "That 13 percent is based on what Delta agreed to pay them, not on what they did on their own. That's probably going to change going forward."



Say what? SkyWest and ASA didn't just make it all by themselves? That fuel "insulation" deal will eventually go bye bye too.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Ganja60Heavy said:
General-freakin'-Lee.....

Which word didn't you understand?

Pay cuts NOW!

You're awesome. You go girl.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
ASAFLY2 said:

"ASA is a [provider] of service for Delta," Boyd said. "That 13 percent is based on what Delta agreed to pay them, not on what they did on their own. That's probably going to change going forward."

Another one of Boyd's screwups. The bankruptcy judge already affirmed the ASA contract. I can't remember the duration but the terms aren't changing anytime soon. DAL received $125 million from SkyWest for leaving that contract intact.

The article does a good job of dispelling any notion that ASA pilots need to take concessions. It's pretty clear that ASA is making good money.
 
The contract is for 85% of all DCI flying in ATL for 15 years. I think ASA will be around for a while!
 
Tim47SIP said:
The contract is for 85% of all DCI flying in ATL for 15 years. I think ASA will be around for a while!

Does that mean DL cannot negotiate for lower payments within that 15 years? I doubt that. DL will negotiate for the best deals possible. DL's extra fuel bill for SkyWest and ASA RJs is ridiculous. I think they will want to renegotiate that part. Eventually they will.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General Lee said:
Does that mean DL cannot negotiate for lower payments within that 15 years? I doubt that. DL will negotiate for the best deals possible. DL's extra fuel bill for SkyWest and ASA RJs is ridiculous. I think they will want to renegotiate that part. Eventually they will.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Kind of depends on how the current agreement is worded. Just because they want to renegotiate doesn't mean that the other parties are required to.
 
General Lee said:
That fuel "insulation" deal will eventually go bye bye too.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Are you blind or just stupid? Delta set this in their contract, and have done so everytime it has been negotiated for the last ten years. I don't understand why you get your thong in such a wad when it was your company that started this trend. After which UAL did the same. The contention was that Delta can purchase the fuel cheaper by virtue of pure large quanities and save even more on the total lift costs. This isn't "isulation" it is simply the parameters of the deal. If it gets you so pissed that it is reported on the web conference calls, well it's your problem. If you have such a big problem with it, march down to Executive Board meeting and tell them that you are getting teased on flightinfo. But whatever, can't you just shut the f up about your constant pointless drival about the deal your airline insisted upon, so again are you blind or stupid?
 
dude, how can an express carrier make money when the company they fly for lost 2bill in one quarter. this spells BS and trouble for regionals. we are part of the problem in terms of mainline profitability. standing alone we would be losing our shirts. the profits are phony and i am sure eventually we will get cut because of it
 
Their healthy balance sheet is due in no small part to their new (old) callsign...Acey. :smash:

Candler sounded better.
 
CFIT said:
Are you blind or just stupid? Delta set this in their contract, and have done so everytime it has been negotiated for the last ten years. I don't understand why you get your thong in such a wad when it was your company that started this trend. After which UAL did the same. The contention was that Delta can purchase the fuel cheaper by virtue of pure large quanities and save even more on the total lift costs. This isn't "isulation" it is simply the parameters of the deal. If it gets you so pissed that it is reported on the web conference calls, well it's your problem. If you have such a big problem with it, march down to Executive Board meeting and tell them that you are getting teased on flightinfo. But whatever, can't you just shut the f up about your constant pointless drival about the deal your airline insisted upon, so again are you blind or stupid?

Me stupid? Yeah.......riiiiiight. Oh, ok, I guess Ronny Reber won't mind if Delta sets the price per departure a bit lower to compensate for the higher fuel......Is that ok with you? Remember, my buddy in SLC sent me the SkyWest internal monthly paper that had the article with Ronny extolling the "insulation" SkyWest has. Would he want to change that? According to you, Delta sets the price. I think they will want to change it if it saves them a penny. Dumbarse. Yeah, we insisted on a bad deal.......

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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General Lee said:
Remember, my buddy in SLC sent me the SkyWest internal monthly paper that had the article with Ronny extolling the "insulation" SkyWest has.

SAY WHAT?!

Wow Jen, I have NEVER heard that before...
 
suupah said:
dude, how can an express carrier make money when the company they fly for lost 2bill in one quarter. this spells BS and trouble for regionals. we are part of the problem in terms of mainline profitability. standing alone we would be losing our shirts. the profits are phony and i am sure eventually we will get cut because of it

Hey, he gets it. CFIT is blind and has his head up his arse. (this guys sees it and makes CFIT look just plain dumb) No, but wait, SkyWest can do no wrong.......dummy.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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General Lee said:
Hey, he gets it. CFIT is blind and has his head up his arse. (this guys sees it and makes CFIT look just plain dumb) No, but wait, SkyWest can do no wrong.......dumbarse.


Bye Bye--General Lee

How long till you upgrade?
 
Rogue5 said:
SAY WHAT?!

Wow Jen, I have NEVER heard that before...

Rogaine,

You haven't? You haven't heard "say what?" Hmmmm.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
AdamKooper said:
How long till you upgrade?

We haven't had a bid in awhile. You have to actually have a bid out to make a bid for something. I am hoping for one soon. I am exploring the options----I could probably hold MD88 Captain in ATL, maybe 738 Captain in NYC, and probably mid level FO on the 777 and fairly senior on the 765 (767-400 INTL). Going Captain would increase the pay, but bring down the QOL and allow me less time for Flightinfo...... The 765 now does FRA, LGW, FCO, and Hawaii. Choices....... (if we don't liquidate)


Thanks for asking.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
General Lee said:
Me stupid? Yeah.......riiiiiight. Oh, ok, I guess Ronny Reber won't mind if Delta sets the price per departure a bit lower to compensate for the higher fuel......Is that ok with you? Remember, my buddy in SLC sent me the SkyWest internal monthly paper that had the article with Ronny extolling the "insulation" SkyWest has. Would he want to change that? According to you, Delta sets the price. I think they will want to change it if it saves them a penny. Dumba$$. Yeah, we insisted on a bad deal.......

Hey Jen -

I guess it was really silly of me to think you'd have skulked away with your tail between your legs and shut your pie-hole for good after you've essentially spun a 180 on the idea that you and 50.1% of your DAL buddies would shoot down the new TA. That whole episode was classic Jen Lee: Shout and scream, repeat key talking points over and over, deflect and ignore any critical response to your points while strangely insisting that no one will “debate” you, then after your stated claims unfold to be both untenable and held by few besides yourself, claim you never made those previous claims to begin with. Amazingly, you were noticeably absent (well, at least quiet. Unheard of in and of itself!) for the last few weeks, but now you’re back and rarin’ to go!

I’ll say it again, I am amazed that you still have the ability to amaze me!

Here’s a little advice I hope you’ll take to heart: you should just shut that hole, Jen. We all need a little more time to forget how full of crap you are before you can come out guns blazing. Its just too soon considering how nicely you guys have just recently bent over, looked back over your shoulder, and opened wide for what, the third time now?

What are you gonna do, Jen? Are you gonna stomp your feet up to DAL management and demand they remove the cost-plus nature of their regional feed contracts? Good luck. In case you haven't taken the time to look in the mirror recently (which I’m sure you do at least once every 15 minutes), as of late you guys ain't been so able to tell management to do anything except to please ease it in slowly.

So go on and take your ball and run off to another playground, your name has long since lost any shred of credibility here on the regionals forum. Find another place to debate with your lawyer wife you met in Chicago whom you enjoy mountain biking 50.1% of the time while you study for that upgrade in the MD you are just about to hold.

To all of us here you are a caricature, actually more like the crazy old uncle in a rocking chair on the back porch, soiling himself and drooling a bit out of the corner of his mouth while he keeps on whispering "Insulate. Reber. Insulate..."
 
Rogue5 said:
Hey Jen -

I guess it was really silly of me to think you'd have skulked away with your tail between your legs and shut your pie-hole for good after you've essentially spun a 180 on the idea that you and 50.1% of your DAL buddies would shoot down the new TA. That whole episode was classic Jen Lee: Shout and scream, repeat key talking points over and over, deflect and ignore any critical response to your points while strangely insisting that no one will “debate” you, then after your stated claims unfold to be both untenable and held by few besides yourself, claim you never made those previous claims to begin with. Amazingly, you were noticeably absent (well, at least quiet. Unheard of in and of itself!) for the last few weeks, but now you’re back and rarin’ to go!

I’ll say it again, I am amazed that you still have the ability to amaze me!

Here’s a little advice I hope you’ll take to heart: you should just shut that hole, Jen. We all need a little more time to forget how full of crap you are before you can come out guns blazing. Its just too soon considering how nicely you guys have just recently bent over, looked back over your shoulder, and opened wide for what, the third time now?

What are you gonna do, Jen? Are you gonna stomp your feet up to DAL management and demand they remove the cost-plus nature of their regional feed contracts? Good luck. In case you haven't taken the time to look in the mirror recently (which I’m sure you do at least once every 15 minutes), as of late you guys ain't been so able to tell management to do anything except to please ease it in slowly.

So go on and take your ball and run off to another playground, your name has long since lost any shred of credibility here on the regionals forum. Find another place to debate with your lawyer wife you met in Chicago whom you enjoy mountain biking 50.1% of the time while you study for that upgrade in the MD you are just about to hold.

To all of us here you are a caricature, actually more like the crazy old uncle in a rocking chair on the back porch, soiling himself and drooling a bit out of the corner of his mouth while he keeps on whispering "Insulate. Reber. Insulate..."

Are you saying the General shouldn't debate you? What are you afraid of - hearing something you don't like? I happen to appreciate his perspective - it is different from yours. So what....
 
General Lee said:
Me stupid? Yeah.......riiiiiight. Oh, ok, I guess Ronny Reber won't mind if Delta sets the price per departure a bit lower to compensate for the higher fuel......Is that ok with you? Remember, my buddy in SLC sent me the SkyWest internal monthly paper that had the article with Ronny extolling the "insulation" SkyWest has. Would he want to change that? According to you, Delta sets the price. I think they will want to change it if it saves them a penny. Dumba$$. Yeah, we insisted on a bad deal.....
Bye Bye--General Lee

The contract aspects are set. Delta was the first to develop a pass thru cost structure for this, and it's being used at all the DCI operators this way. The other aspects are that any fuel savings on part of the DCI operators by city pair specified legs is retained by the operator. So, in other words, braindonor, if we reduce our comsumption of fuel, Delta pays for all of it and what is not used is returned to the DCI carrier.

So, "yeah, we insisted on a bad deal.....", is correct.
 
On Your Six said:
Are you saying the General shouldn't debate you? What are you afraid of - hearing something you don't like? I happen to appreciate his perspective - it is different from yours. So what....

What I am saying, if you have a hard time feeling me, is that whatever it is that this juvenile excuse for a man does, it is far from "debate": it is ranting, it is vituperous attacking, it is repetitive bloviating worthy of the major cable news networks. No discussion or thoughtful exchange of ideas takes place.

Furthermore, I am saying he is hypocritical, in denial, and full of crap.

Is this the perspective you appreciate?
 
CFIT said:
The contract aspects are set. Delta was the first to develop a pass thru cost structure for this, and it's being used at all the DCI operators this way. The other aspects are that any fuel savings on part of the DCI operators by city pair specified legs is retained by the operator. So, in other words, braindonor, if we reduce our comsumption of fuel, Delta pays for all of it and what is not used is returned to the DCI carrier.

So, "yeah, we insisted on a bad deal.....", is correct.

I can't wait until we eventually get a better deal, and then I won't have to personally subsidize you and your "profitability." That deal will eventually change, and you will have to pay the difference in fuel costs. Can't wait.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Rogue5 said:
Hey Jen -

I guess it was really silly of me to think you'd have skulked away with your tail between your legs and shut your pie-hole for good after you've essentially spun a 180 on the idea that you and 50.1% of your DAL buddies would shoot down the new TA. That whole episode was classic Jen Lee: Shout and scream, repeat key talking points over and over, deflect and ignore any critical response to your points while strangely insisting that no one will “debate” you, then after your stated claims unfold to be both untenable and held by few besides yourself, claim you never made those previous claims to begin with. Amazingly, you were noticeably absent (well, at least quiet. Unheard of in and of itself!) for the last few weeks, but now you’re back and rarin’ to go!

I’ll say it again, I am amazed that you still have the ability to amaze me!

Here’s a little advice I hope you’ll take to heart: you should just shut that hole, Jen. We all need a little more time to forget how full of crap you are before you can come out guns blazing. Its just too soon considering how nicely you guys have just recently bent over, looked back over your shoulder, and opened wide for what, the third time now?

What are you gonna do, Jen? Are you gonna stomp your feet up to DAL management and demand they remove the cost-plus nature of their regional feed contracts? Good luck. In case you haven't taken the time to look in the mirror recently (which I’m sure you do at least once every 15 minutes), as of late you guys ain't been so able to tell management to do anything except to please ease it in slowly.

So go on and take your ball and run off to another playground, your name has long since lost any shred of credibility here on the regionals forum. Find another place to debate with your lawyer wife you met in Chicago whom you enjoy mountain biking 50.1% of the time while you study for that upgrade in the MD you are just about to hold.

To all of us here you are a caricature, actually more like the crazy old uncle in a rocking chair on the back porch, soiling himself and drooling a bit out of the corner of his mouth while he keeps on whispering "Insulate. Reber. Insulate..."
The funniest part is when General Richard Cranium tells you how there are SOOOOOOOOOO many people here that like him. That always gives me a giggle.

BTW, since the living stereotype of the unfulfilled gear biznatch wouldn't respond to another thread.... I'll post something here for him to debate.

Before he left the boards for a few days hiding with his tail betwen his legs Genital Lea stated that comair lost delta 140 million last year.

From Fox News: Dated APR 04, 2006
"Delta, which is operating under bankruptcy protection and lost more than $500 million in January and February..."


That's about 8.47 mil per day. Which if memory serves is twice the loss of last years estimates of 4 mil per day.

And if we divide the 140 million by 8.47....16.53 days of losses for detla's current operation. Yeah, it's all the CRJ's fault!!!! or 35 days worth of last years losses.

What happened to the other 330 days?

Source:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,189923,00.html


Oh Yeah, Watch your language, or you'll get another two days in the corner.


 
Rogue5 said:
Hey Jen -

I guess it was really silly of me to think you'd have skulked away with your tail between your legs and shut your pie-hole for good after you've essentially spun a 180 on the idea that you and 50.1% of your DAL buddies would shoot down the new TA. That whole episode was classic Jen Lee: Shout and scream, repeat key talking points over and over, deflect and ignore any critical response to your points while strangely insisting that no one will “debate” you, then after your stated claims unfold to be both untenable and held by few besides yourself, claim you never made those previous claims to begin with. Amazingly, you were noticeably absent (well, at least quiet. Unheard of in and of itself!) for the last few weeks, but now you’re back and rarin’ to go!

I’ll say it again, I am amazed that you still have the ability to amaze me!

Here’s a little advice I hope you’ll take to heart: you should just shut that hole, Jen. We all need a little more time to forget how full of crap you are before you can come out guns blazing. Its just too soon considering how nicely you guys have just recently bent over, looked back over your shoulder, and opened wide for what, the third time now?

What are you gonna do, Jen? Are you gonna stomp your feet up to DAL management and demand they remove the cost-plus nature of their regional feed contracts? Good luck. In case you haven't taken the time to look in the mirror recently (which I’m sure you do at least once every 15 minutes), as of late you guys ain't been so able to tell management to do anything except to please ease it in slowly.

So go on and take your ball and run off to another playground, your name has long since lost any shred of credibility here on the regionals forum. Find another place to debate with your lawyer wife you met in Chicago whom you enjoy mountain biking 50.1% of the time while you study for that upgrade in the MD you are just about to hold.

To all of us here you are a caricature, actually more like the crazy old uncle in a rocking chair on the back porch, soiling himself and drooling a bit out of the corner of his mouth while he keeps on whispering "Insulate. Reber. Insulate..."


blah blah blah. Your diatribe is troublesome. Get some sleep. My wife is a lawyer? That is my girlfriend.....?? Say what? Listen Rogaine, you need to get off the jealous boat. This board is great because you are allowed to "ignore" me if you don't like my rants. You and Dave Benjamin can do that and PM each other and giggle.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General Lee said:
blah blah blah. Your diatribe is troublesome. Get some sleep. My wife is a lawyer? That is my girlfriend.....?? Say what? Listen Rogaine, you need to get off the jealous boat. This board is great because you are allowed to "ignore" me if you don't like my rants. You and Dave Benjamin can do that and PM each other and giggle.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Once Again.... DEFLECT, Deny, Insult..

Nice debating tactic.
 
General Lee said:
Does that mean DL cannot negotiate for lower payments within that 15 years? I doubt that. DL will negotiate for the best deals possible. DL's extra fuel bill for SkyWest and ASA RJs is ridiculous. I think they will want to renegotiate that part. Eventually they will.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Maybe they can change the deal, They pushed DALPA around pretty easily.

Maybe they'll go to the GO and say "Let's do it right the first time"
 
WhatRUSmokinGL? said:
The funniest part is when General Richard Cranium tells you how there are SOOOOOOOOOO many people here that like him. That always gives me a giggle.

BTW, since the living stereotype of the unfulfilled gear biznatch wouldn't respond to another thread.... I'll post something here for him to debate.

Before he left the boards for a few days hiding with his tail betwen his legs Genital Lea stated that comair lost delta 140 million last year.

From Fox News: Dated APR 04, 2006
"Delta, which is operating under bankruptcy protection and lost more than $500 million in January and February..."


That's about 8.47 mil per day. Which if memory serves is twice the loss of last years estimates of 4 mil per day.

And if we divide the 140 million by 8.47....16.53 days of losses for detla's current operation. Yeah, it's all the CRJ's fault!!!! or 35 days worth of last years losses.

What happened to the other 330 days?

Source:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,189923,00.html


Oh Yeah, Watch your language, or you'll get another two days in the corner.



Do you really think all of that is real money losses, or some paper losses? If you look at Cash on hand, it is actually INCREASING. We actually increased our cash on hand by $100 million. Everything else is an opinion. Sure, we are losing money, but then again we somehow are adding to cash on hand. Creative accounting indeed. How did United lose $12 billion in one quarter? How much per day loss would that be? Does that sound plausible? So, is that debate, or deny and deflect? Can you debate the $12 billion United loss? Compare and contrast please.

Thanks for the warning. Editing is fun.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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