Army of one!! YEAH!!

[ILS JNKY]

usair

lets see, usair the only hope they evr had was about a year a go when amr was looking at may be buying them out.

even then most of the captians that i met were worried about being able to hang on.

May be united will buy them , but united's charman said last year that if things did not get better for them they would fold, source of this news The Wall Street Jour, and CNBC The Business channel.

Which now beggs the /QUESTIONS , HAVE ANY AIRCARGO COMPANIES LAID OFF SINCE SEPT11TH?

 

[aero99]

I think avbugs point is that to be a professional means to act like a professional. Bastardizing the profession makes others look bad.

I though fedup's little story was a little amusing. At the same time I don't believe he does all those things. If all pilots had this attitude no one would have jobs because the companies you work for would be out of biz....

It is always fun to bash management. The orignal thread was a good vent, though it solves nothing. It is all business. If you don't like what your company does, then quit and find another...or start your own airline and you can steal all the paperclips and donuts to your hearts desire.

Just remember you're pilots out of choice. Be glad your not the bean counter who is really just another puppet in the chain of command just like the crew. It could be worse.......

 

[Timebuilder]

ILS JKNY

Was your post suposed to be in a new/different thread?

 

[skykid]

I understand why Feduppilot is upset. I would keep doing the good job you used to do and work on uniting your fellow pilots. I think its a whole lot more honorable to go through the bargaining process and all walk off together, if it comes to that. I don't know what the attitudes of your fellow pilots are, but I believe a unified and determined work group could force changes. Put your energy into achieving that.

 

[Pilotadjuster]

respect

I must agree with Timebuilder here. Respect is a two-way street, but substandard performance is never the way to "get even". I have had that problem MANY times in the business in which I work (insurance); long hours, ignorant management and supervisors, etc. Presently work with great management, but still long hours, impossible schedules....

Bottom line is, if you accept the pay, you need to do your very best. My wife works a job far under her college degree qualifications, at $8.00/hour. But she gives the proverbial 110% every day (as a teachers aid - wont go for her teaching cert, doesnt want to work as hard as they do for a small raise...). A question of CHARACTER. You get fed up, you find a way to take your skills, loyalty and professionalism ELSEWHERE. Maybe its a union thing, seniority and all that, that I just don't yet understand.

Also--you're right on with the military; I saw many officers, O-4+, who couldn't lead their way out of a paper bag. I saw many junior officers, 0-1 to O-3 who where great leaders and it was obvious their men thought so. Never ask someone to do something you won't or haven't already.

The president of Polartec, mentioned earlier, is a fine example. Insurance would not cover his employee's wages while the plant was rebuilt. He did out of his own pocket. Think hes got loyal employees?

Anyway, theres my unqualified $.02 from a non-aviation standpoint.

Fly safe (when you can fly at all...)

PA

 

[Timebuilder]

I have to agree with you, too.

Even my crapiest bosses (squad sargeants, company commanders, station general managers, you name it..) always got far more from me than they ever deserved.

So, while I disagree ethically with feduppilot, I'm still wondering if what he is contemplating falls outside the work rules or contract at his carrier. Call me curious....

 

[Britpilot]

Seems easy to condemn "feduppilot" when you're not in his shoes.

Keep in mind fellas, you can continue to beat the most loyal dog.....but eventually he's going to bite back. It's only natural.

You got it right, our pilots have suffered many contract violations over the last four years. Now our contract is reaching it's end our pilot groups are looking to improve work conditions. This is not only for us but for future pilots of our company.
It is understood that there are a lot of unemployed pilots out there, we want them to come back or be employed to an industry leading contract. If you have not experianced a poor contract combined with the restrictions of the railway labor act and company abuse of the same, then you really cannot comment on peoples anger and frustration with their employer.
The issue is not about the professionalism of our pilot group, it is about gaining a significant improvment in our contract,

 

[Simon Says]

I am tired of people think what FedUp is doing is substandard performance. He is simply doing his job. Do we all not write up aircraft at outstations now because that is suposedly "sub-standard performance". Give me a break. Once companies start treating me with respect, than I will go above and beyond my job duties. Until then they can ki$$ my a$$ and I will only do what my job requires me to do.


And about the injuction at American, correct me if I am wrong, but all of their write ups were legal. The courts said it was an illegal work action because the amount of write ups increased dramatacly, but they could not find one write up that should have not been a write up.

 

[KlingonLRDRVR]

At the end of the day all that really counts is whether you can look at yourself in the mirror and say "I come from a honorable house". Make the Klingon Empire proud.

KlingonLRDRVR

 

[Timebuilder]

Kaplach!

 

[charley varrick]

And about the injuction at American, correct me if I am wrong, but all of their write ups were legal. The courts said it was an illegal work action because the amount of write ups increased dramatacly, but they could not find one write up that should have not been a write up.

I brought up American because, although I can agree with the sentiment, I don't think it is wise to post writings like this. It can't do any good, but it could definitely be used to persuade a judge that there was collusion, or a deliberate attempt to create a slowdown with malicious intent, not safety as the impetus. And that can damage one's attempts to collectively bargain.

 

[FEDUPPILOT]

People!! I guess I should have made my self clear. This post did not come from me. I came across it on another board. I thought you people would want to read it. I do not fly for CAL. I fly for a more darker and evil force (AMR) LOL!! I do like and agree with the letter!!

 

[Tim47SIP]

Tarp wrote:
"To the fed-up-pilot, I understand. I can't join you because then I truly do sell-out my soul. But I am hoping for a day when our ethics are restored from top to bottom. When I can trust what a man says and not have to "spin" anything about the words. A day when honesty counts for more than todays value of money. A day when you can pretty much tell a good person from a bad one. "

This is a little off of the subject, but I belive relivant.

OK, I understand that it was not FEDUP that wrote the original article, but it was written. I believe that the above statement sums up most of the problems in the industry. Really only one entity is responsible for showing how dishonest all of us pilots can be. Sure mangement does things too, but if ALPA cant be honest and professional, how can the management teams even think their pilots would be. I know that this is not an ALPA thread, but if ALPA would just start leading by example, stop allowing only some MEC's to negotiate with management while threatening to put other MEC's into receivership for the same, manipulating contracts to achieve one outcome (best for the big 4 or 5), then ALPA would not look as dishonest as they really are.

Yes deregulation caused many of the problems that we are facing now with the advent of low cost carriers. The mainline guys have for some reason ignored this or refuse to acknowlege the fact that they are here, and continue to try to stop the expansion of RJ's and blame the regional guys for taking the low cost jobs ("whores of the industry"). Why is it so hard for them to figure out that the real culprit in the economics side is the low cost competition (SW, Atrans, JB, Valujet, etc.) that the big 5 have to compete with. Why hasent ALPA gone after these carriers. Why dosn't ALPA acknowlege the fact that they exist? Why does ALPA still continue to try to manipulate and mold the industry (that they control) for the status quo when everything is changing arround them. Now they (ALPA) have many pilots very unhappy with their manipulative tacticts, so they are facing a war from both sides, management and it's own pilots.

Professionalism must start at the very top, and work it's way down. I for one will allways give 110%, but that is just the way I am. If we (the bottom pond scum) also try to lead by example, eventually the links will become one and respected by all. Management will see us in a different light, hopefully a professional light and not a dishonest light. This will take a while due to the last 20 or so years of our unions tacticts, but we would eventually regain the respect our industry deserves. Sorry for changing the original intent of the thread, but Tarps post brought out some very interseting points.

 

[FEDUPPILOT]

Amen!

 

[Freight Dog]

Now, what's wrong with flying the contract? I mean literally... you do what's in your contract, and NOTHING more.

If you are continuously sh*tted on, and you are in negotiations, WOE definitely works... look at UAL in 2000.