App question...

[svcta]

Okay, so I guess I got lazy when I was at the regionals and gave up on logging instrument time and night time. I honestly didn't think that it would arise as a stumbling block. That having been said, I now see that the United app wants this time listed.

In a nutshell I'm fielding advice on what to do regarding this. Of course I have numbers in my logbook in these columns, but they're going to be low relative to someone who kept better track of their cloud time. Thoughts??? Thanks in advance, everyone.

 

[iaflyer]

Okay, so I guess I got lazy when I was at the regionals and gave up on logging instrument time and night time. I honestly didn't think that it would arise as a stumbling block. That having been said, I now see that the United app wants this time listed.

In a nutshell I'm fielding advice on what to do regarding this. Of course I have numbers in my logbook in these columns, but they're going to be low relative to someone who kept better track of their cloud time. Thoughts??? Thanks in advance, everyone.

So you're saying that you have something in the column for night and every so often some instrument time, but you're not sure if they are accurate? Or is there nothing in the column since you got to the regional?

 

[svcta]

Here's a blast from the past...

yes, that's my thing. That column was treated properly through my training days and cargo days, etc, but left blank after my hire date at the regionals. (I'm part 91 now)

What are your thoughts?

 

[RedDogC130]

my advice is quit being lazy and keep your stuff updated. I still do and I am at my final job (I hope). Take the time to research your flights and when they were. Take an educated guess. Nobody sits with a time hack....okay it is night time...official sunset or dark...in clouds out of clouds...hack. It is all a guess anyway in those columns. Guess under rather than over.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

10% inst.
Night WGAF, or so.

 

[svcta]

my advice is quit being lazy and keep your stuff updated. I still do and I am at my final job (I hope). Take the time to research your flights and when they were. Take an educated guess. Nobody sits with a time hack....okay it is night time...official sunset or dark...in clouds out of clouds...hack. It is all a guess anyway in those columns. Guess under rather than over.

Quit being lazy? Understand that I'm not there any more. And that it's also impossible to go back and account for pages and pages of IMC and night time that i didn't keep track of. That would be absolutely unethical.

I'm more interested in seeing if anyone has a general rule of thumb, like the 10% number given above. That, to me, seems reasonable and better than making stuff up.

 

[RedDogC130]

And that it's also impossible to go back and account for pages and pages of IMC and night time that i didn't keep track of. That would be absolutely unethical.

I'm more interested in seeing if anyone has a general rule of thumb, like the 10% number given above. That, to me, seems reasonable and better than making stuff up.

Well that is what you are doing if you don't know the numbers, you are making it up. Am I missing something? If you did not keep track then you are making it up. There is nothing wrong with trying to figure it out, just be conservative when you come up with the numbers.

 

[Lear70]

I honestly would just go back and put some in here and there that is under the 10% average.

I mean, quite honestly, when you reach a point in your career (around 5,000+ hours) as a jet Captain (part 91, 121, or 135), the instrument time ceases to be a factor for proficiency and trainability, so I really don't know why the majors even bother unless it's to account for the few CEO's nephews, cousins, sister-in-laws with 1,500 Total Time they're going to hire.

Do you want it to be a problem, or do you just want to put something down that is likely less than what you REALLY have, and therefore has NO ethical implications (why should it be a problem if you have MORE time than you're stating?) and get the job?

I'm done with the silly hoops these companies make you jump through, and everyone else should be, too. If you have the qualifications to get hired, play their game but play it to WIN, without resorting to "pencil whipping" (overstating your times), and you'll save yourself a LOT of grief and aggravation.

Hell, I went to my last interview without updated logbooks, just printed out copies of my monthly CrewTrac flight times for the previous 3 years, stapled them together, totaled the times, then put them into my logbook as a total for that type of aircraft as one line entry - didn't even bother with night or instrument time.

Still got hired.

 

[svcta]

Thanks for the advice, gang. This eases my mind about it.