Anything new at UPS?

[Dav8tor]

UPS mechanics approves new contract. Pilots start negotiations next week (15th of october). Any one at UPS could add more info on pilot hiring rumors.

 

[de727ups]

UPS stuff

Bad news:

Company has stated there will be no hiring in 2003. Another realignment/displacement bid will be out in November taking crews from the 727 to the bus and MD11.

Good news:

We have new busses and MD-11's being delivered next year.
When ever the new pilot contract does get signed....if it has post retirement medical benefits, many of the age 60+ F/E's will be outta here.

My guess it they will continue to play games with the current numbers we have and our high line construction cap. They can do a lot with the current numbers as long as guys are willing to work extra. After the next contract...don't hold your breath....we will begin hiring again.

 

[Wise Guy]

de72,

I agree with your assesment, but I wouldn't be surprised to see hiring before the contract is signed. I'm probably too optimistic. I bet we will see many of the 60+ guys bail regardless of the contract outcome and we will be caught with our pants down in terms of the ability to train FE's.

But the biggest point I agree with you on is the contruction cap. We gotta have it. Also, cut down the credit cap to reduce the amount of open time pick up. I feel those two things would most significantly impact hiring in the short term after the new contract is signed. We will definitely be growing and hiring, the question is how long will it take.

Regards,

WG

 

[UPS DC8]

One thing to think about, One A300 will replace one 727 AND one DC-8. In other words, 2 pilots replace 6. The MD11's are replacing 747's(2 pilot vs 3 pilots). Growth is very slow right now. One bright spot will be if we get more route authority out of Hong Kong. The brightest spot is that we are not furloughing!!

 

[flight-crew]

Key to UPS

I would very much like to work for UPS... in fact really really bad. What's the key to getting on?

Would an FE Certificate help from one of those schools? Or maybe some good inside connections?

My eyes are on the Brown for a future long-term career. And I want to be ready to hit em' hard with a strong application when the time is right. Thanks for any and all info.

 

[de727ups]

F/E certificate, no
Inside contacts, yes

You have to have a recommendation from at least one UPS pilot to get an interview.

 

[UPS Capt]

Would an FE Certificate help from one of those schools

What school are you talk'n bout?

Unless you have practical and current FE experience on a B727, B747 or DC8, those "schools" will be of little use other than emptying your bank account. Take a weekend course and get the FE written out of the way. Don't worry about the rating as you'll get that once you're hired...if we have any more 3-person airplanes by then.

LOR's, unfortunately, play a big part of the hiring scheme. Get cozy with a UPS manager somewhere or find and take a management pilot out to lunch. While having an LOR from a line pilot "may" help, getting an LOR from the management side carries much more weight.

 

[AutoTransfer]

Thanks for all the great info from the Big Brown Pilots. I too would like to fly for UPS and was wondering if someone could shed some light on what you believe the hiring requirements will be once hiring resumes (minimum & competitive).

Also, at what point should I submit my first resume?

Once again, thanks for keeping all of us hopefuls out of the dark.

AT

 

[UPS Capt]

AutoTransfer,

Even though being a graduate of the Starfleet Academy is very impressive, it'll probably take a little more than that.

Proir to 9/11, competitive times for employment consideration were around 5000tt with a couple thousand turbine PIC in multi-engine aircraft over 20,000lbs and a 4 year degree. With many furloughed pilots walking the street right now, UPS will have the no problem filling slots with folks who far exceed those numbers.

I've heard numbers of up to 15,000+ resumes on file. Probably half of those have the competitive numbers that UPS is looking for. Considering they may only hire around 250-300 pilots when hiring resumes, well, you do the math on how difficult it'll be.

Like I said before, find a UPS manager (preferably one in the airline side of the company) and take him/her out to lunch!

 

[flight-crew]

Would being a current employee of UPS help?

.... Like working a part-time (non aviation) job with them while also having a flying job.