Are you smoking crack?If interested in working here, give Rosa Mosely a call (pilot hiring).
There is a huge difference. One, to my knowledge, neither Horizon pilots nor ASA nor Comair are objecting to the codeshare in LAX that Eagle does. Two, and most importantly, PILOTS ARE NOT ON THE STREET AS A DIRECT RESULT OF THIS CODESHARE, UNLIKE YOUR CODESHARE WITH AA!!!!!!! You and the rest of American Connection, according to the last figures I read, are doing 17% of the flying allowed under the ASM cap! Eagle may have to furlough more pilots as a result, and the SJU and MIA operations may be sold, even as seats are ripped out of OUR aircraft to accomodate YOUR bulls$$it codeshare.You do know that American Eagle provides service for Alaska Airlines and Delta Airlines?
Alaska Airlines flight #3265 LAX to MRY
Delta Airlines flight #6658 LAX to MRY
Alaska Airlines flight #3297 LAX to FAT
Delta Airlines flight #6607 LAX to PSP
Alaska Airlines flight #3464 LAX to SAN
Delta Airlines flight #6558 LAX to SAN
Also flights for Alaska Airlines into San Luis Obisbo and Santa Barbara.
All operated by American Eagle Saabs.
So why is it okay when you do it, (provide service to majors who have either a wholly owned or feeders all ready), and it's not okay when someone else does it?
Martin, if you think that DCI (ASA/Comair etc) pilots don't object to Eagle codeshare in LAX, you are sadly mistaken. We are disgusted. The thought of a Delta system passenger riding on the competition is infuriating. However, I don't think you will see us bashing Eagle pilots the way all you AA feeders seem to like to do.MartinFierro said:
There is a huge difference. One, to my knowledge, neither Horizon pilots nor ASA nor Comair are objecting to the codeshare in LAX that Eagle does. Two, and most importantly, PILOTS ARE NOT ON THE STREET AS A DIRECT RESULT OF THIS CODESHARE, UNLIKE YOUR CODESHARE WITH AA!!!!!!! You and the rest of American Connection, according to the last figures I read, are doing 17% of the flying allowed under the ASM cap! Eagle may have to furlough more pilots as a result, and the SJU and MIA operations may be sold, even as seats are ripped out of OUR aircraft to accomodate YOUR bulls$$it codeshare.
Oh yeah, BTW, the codeshare Eagle has in LAX, we don't operate those flights solely for Delta nor Alaska. They just slap their ##s on our flights. Unlike you guys who go so far as to paint your aircraft in our colors.
That said, let's drop the subject. Our 2 groups will not agree on this.
Whipsaw, yes, I am familiar with that unfortunately. AMR loves it. It is a problem, and one of the reasons we have a 16 year behemoth of a contract was to avoid it (consolidate the many Eagle seniority lists and companies into 1). It appears not to have work, as there are cropping up more feeders to AA. And I'm sorry, but none of you DCI pilots have been furloughed, correct? None of you are still on the street because of Delta outsourcing feed, correct? In fact even with your problems of outsourcing, to ACA, SkyWest, include Eagle if you want to, you are still expanding, correct? Hiring still? That's great. Lucky for you. The situation at Eagle is not so rosey. So given OUR situation, I wouldn't think you would be as critical, negative, or bitter toward those doing other Delta feed.However, I don't think you will see us bashing Eagle pilots the way all you AA feeders seem to like to do.
Fighting each other will get you NOWHERE. In fact mgt loves it. Seeing all the feeders fighting to be the first to sell there mother up the river for a few more RJs plays right into their hands. Can you spell WHIPSAW.
Russ, Just an opinion to you. Having friends at both Eagle and CHQ I feel your experience and information level are inadequate to form a useful opinion. Yes I feel the CHQ guys did get screwed and yes there have been alot worse cases in the industry.flywithruss said:I'm not surprised I'm being flamed by everybody over my comments above. I don't mean to offend, and I apologize to those I may have angered by sharing my opinion. However, I do feel compelled to point out that we are all fighting, as a nation, to protect our God-given right to have an opinion, about anything.
Cornelius, I'm not whining about my lot in life, and if my post came off that way, I apologize. I was merely pointing out that I have been affected by all of this, just like the rest of us. I am doing my level best to suck it up and move on, build my career, and support our country. Besides, if I had gotten on at Eagle, I'd just be in the furlough line now anyway, making the same decisions, only probably being a lot more bitter about it!
As for those who say I have no right to an opinion because I haven't "been there", I don't buy it. I don't have to be furloughed to know it sucks. Something similar has happened to all of us ... I for one showed up at the flight school where I used to work to find out one day that the insurance was canceled, the airplanes were sold, and I was unemployed ... without warning.
To you guys sacked by CHQ, my sympathy ... I mean that. You got the screw-job of the century ... we may all hate furloughs, but at least they go by the contract. It seems to me your anger is best directed at the Teamsters ... the people you paid good money to represent you before the company. It seems pretty clear they didn't do too much for your dues dollar, eh?
My point in my post was only that the most productive thing we can do is move on. Set aside the unchangeable past as just that, and move forward. Accept that CHQ management is lying, backstabbing, two-faced, and opportunistic at the expense of their employees. If and when the pipeline reopens there, I won't apply ... at least not under the current management team. I just hope my friends working there aren't the next ones to get crapped on.
Of course, a lot of you disagree with me, and that's fine. I can think you are full of crap, but, as an American, I will take up arms and defend to the death your right to be full of crap! And you can think I'm just as full of it, but something tells me each and every one of you would be right beside me, weapon in hand, defending to the death my right to be full of crap, too.
After all, every one of us is here for the same reason ... we may take a lot of junk in this business, but it is still the most fun we've ever had earning a paycheck. And you can take that to the bank.