Anyone with Pinnacle info?

[g-girl]

Hey, let the guy go and make an ass of himself if he wants to.

 

[Sir Humpalot]

I am not bashing pfters (that has been done by many before), i am just saying that it sucks to be us due to the fact that a buddy at Gulfstream told me that they are starting a ground school next week and are planning on having all the pfters on there.

Relax people, dont get uptight. I was just posting that it sucks to wait.

 

[Lequip]

Great, more 400 hour wonders going into the right seat. I'm sure those guy/gals are a big help when the crap hits the fan and the Captain gets busy.

 

[Sir Humpalot]

g-girl, you made an asssss of yourself by posting a response to a question that wasnt even asked. Now, go study.

 

[ataopsdave]

Great, more 400 hour wonders going into the right seat. I'm sure those guy/gals are a big help when the crap hits the fan and the Captain gets busy.

Lequip

I am not defending the gulfstream people but I was just offered a non-pilot position in the training department with Pinnacle and the other training planner said that the Gulfstream people have a better pass rate than off the street hires when it comes to new hire training.

 

[another cfii]

Here we go again, not even a page's worth, and we're back to the bashing mode... I forgot, what are we bashing again? ALPA, PFT or Mesa or just life in general.. Chill out.

 

[flagshipper]

What I am about to say should not be taken the wrong way but when I started training at 9e i hated the fact these wonder boys and girls were above me in seniority because daddy wrote a big check. I still don't like that but that is just a matter of my raising that I had to work for what I wanted. I will say in defense of the streamers they all know they are at an EXTREME disadvantage going into learning a new jet with only 400 hours or in some cases more, under their belts and they don't want to make daddy sad so they work their a$$es off. They are the biggest studying nerds I have ever seen and I mean that in a respectable way. When I was in sim all the streamers who were in the 2 classes behind us would sit up at FS fighting who gets to ride in the sim sessions. Sometimes they would sit all day and finally catch a ride in a LOFT at 2200 probably learning next to nothing but hey they tried. While out of the 9 streamers in my class 3 of them failed their checkride, they all passed on the second attempt and are doing just fine (except for the impossible commute from FL). But most importantly the reason they made it through was not their extensive 1900 experience it was their eager and determined attitude which I can relate to. You can make of this what you want to.

 

[Mtnjam]

Gulf

Gee, I think every Regional should hire all these 400hr. wonder pilots from Gulfstream....................Yeah............. However it is a shame that somebody with 300hrs. Multi and 1500tt. gets put behind those kick ass 400hr. super pilots. Oh well, such as life.

 

[Lear70]

g-girl, you made an asssss of yourself by posting a response to a question that wasnt even asked. Now, go study.

Actually, I think G-Girl hit the nail on the head.

Flagshipper has a good point, if you have questions, read it again.

Lequip, the difference between a 600 hour Streamer with 300 hours in the 1900 and a 2000 hour CFI with 1000 hours of right seat sitting and no turbine time is, in my experience, minimal. Both contribute about the same amount of help to the flight deck, according to their skills and enthusiasm, that is to say that once they get a few months in the aircraft, there are good and bad, just like the guys in the left seat.

The only new-hires we get that would really help "when the sh*t hits the fan" are the ones like I flew with two days ago that came out of the Lear charter world with 1000+ hours in the right seat of a Lear and the situational awareness, high altitude and navigation experience, and overall flying skills that go with it. Unfortunately, we don't get many of those...

 

[dondk]

We have been hiring GIA people for 2 1/2 years now.. at this point in time what difference does it make?

Some GIA are Captains now, and in a few more months maybe a few more. As Flagshipper stated.. the difference is attitude. As Lear70 stated there is little difference between a GIA and a pilot with 2000TT but maybe 3-500 in a light twin or maybe some time in a King air or similar.

If you don't like the environment your going to be training/working in, you may as well stay home and give your seat to someone who wants it. There are plenty of people still looking for jobs, there are plenty we turn down too.

For the record, In 2 1/2 years we only had 1 (one) class that was all GIA, and that was about 2 1/2 years ago. Hearing or believing that YOUR getting screwed because your name was not called first is not helping your cause. Calm down, sit tight and you will get to the schoolhouse soon enough.

Classes are done every 2 weeks.. 24-26 in a class. Most classes THIS year average 10-14 GIA and the rest are off the street. The "high" for this year was 18 GIA in the same class size, the low I think I heard was 6. There are 2 classes in NOV and I think the last class for the year is Dec 13 (I think) then Jan 3 is the next (again I think that is what I read).

BTW.. regardless.. Sir Humpalot.. your going to be SEN# 1000+, if you go in Dec then you will be closer to 1100 out of 1300 total pilots.. A long way down the list... it really does not matter at this point. A year or more ago, the difference would be critical in days off and possibly upgrade. Now it will be between reserve, 10 or 11 days off at best.

 

[blade230]

We are not the only airline that is currently, or has in the past, hired low timers. In fact just about every single regional has previously, or is hiring low timers. When I was at college not more than 5 years ago, the AVERAGE time guys were going into RJ's outa our school with was 500-800 TT. That is an average. Some had 250 TT, some had more.

In Europe and Asia, hence half or more of the world, low timers skip the whole flight instructing and or night cargo thing, AND the RJ THING, and are straight into medium jets ie A320s and B737s, if not bigger.

This argument of low timers at Pinnacle is a load of shet. It happens everywhere,
will continue to happen everywhere, whether you, me, or anybody else agrees with it or not.

Take care,

 

[Lineup&wt]

Hey blade230 blow it a little more out proportion. I'll i said was this there are alot of deserving pilots out there that deserve the job just as much. I know a few 3000hr 7000hr capts that didn't get it. It sucks that these 500 hr pilots are getting the job over them. But lets think about the real factor and sure this has been brought up somewhere on this site before. FO program went up 10K in one year the one and only reason why is because Pinnacle ismaking an A$$ load of money of every GIA guy they hire. I'll take a guess and say its to the tune of 10K. Is PFT worth it I'll have to go with yeah probably. If your willing to work for the crappiest regional out there.

 

[T-Gates]

I'll i said was this there are alot of deserving pilots out there that deserve the job just as much. I know a few 3000hr 7000hr capts that didn't get it. It sucks that these 500 hr pilots are getting the job over them.

Mabye those 3000-7000 hour pilots botched the interview, or are just complete jackasses...are they still "deserving" over a 500 hour guy that nailed the interview and test?

I swear to god theese threads take about 2 years off my life every time I read them.... I really stopped participating in the banter on theese threads because nobody has said anything NEW in 2 bloody years! I give it 1 day before Bobbysamd checks in with a "Why PFT is Bad" post on a thread about PCL New Hire questions....

GET A LIFE PEOPLE!!!!

 

[Lineup&wt]

T-gates so true about bobby pretty funny. But those 3000 7000 Capts might have botched the test or the interview, You have to admit though when you get a hold of one those tests that Pinncale gives you before they actually administer them at the interview, gives you a bit of an advantage, an advantage that GIA people have. Think pinnacle is aware of it Mmmmmh? At least thats the what I hear . Any Gulfstream people care to comment.

 

[searching]

FO program went up 10K in one year the one and only reason why is because Pinnacle ismaking an A$$ load of money of every GIA guy they hire. I'll take a guess and say its to the tune of 10K. Is PFT worth it I'll have to go with yeah probably. If your willing to work for the crappiest regional out there.

Somebody else said this a while ago on another thread, but I will re-say it. Line up and weight, you obviously have no college education, or at least none in buissness. Any Public company, which Pinnacle is I may add, must by LAW, disclose all sources of income. I have seen personally, as have many others, the financials on Pinnacle and many other airlines for that matter, as it is public knowledge.

Guess what, no profits or moneys earned on training, or recruitment.

 

[DoinTime]

You have to admit though when you get a hold of one those tests that Pinncale gives you before they actually administer them at the interview, gives you a bit of an advantage, an advantage that GIA people have.

Everybody has access to all the questions and answers asked on the Pinnacle written test before the interview. ITS CALLED THE FAA COMMERCIAL WRITTEN TEST PREP. All you have to do is get off your lazy a$$ and study it. Seeing is that these 3000-7000 captains are currently unemployed they should be able to fit it into their schedule.

 

[Lineup&wt]

Searching, you are unreal do you actually think something like this is spread around and talked about. Let's think outside the box and in the real world for a minute, do you think all business is on the up and up maybe in your make believe la la land world, and listen pal I've I great degree from an excellent university.

Doin Time, slow down an reread the last thing I posted and you'll understand exactly what i said I don't think I can be any clearer
let me say it again. THE EXACT TEST THAT PINNACLE GIVES IN THE INTERVIEW IS AVAILABLE TO THE GULFSTREAM FOLKS AND ADVANTAGE FOR THEM WOULD YOU NOT AGREE, I BELIEVE THAT NARROWS DOWN HUNDREDS OF QUESTIONS YOU NEED TO STUDY FROM THE COMM INST AND ATP BOOKS.

 

[dondk]

You have to admit though when you get a hold of one those tests that Pinncale gives you before they actually administer them at the interview, gives you a bit of an advantage, an advantage that GIA people have.

Interesting comment.. Interesting response to it...
What do you think is the "bust" rate on the written? How about 5-10% (1-2 per interview group).

Most of the peep's bust on the group or 1 on 1 interview. You get in front of a HR person and line pilot and can't answer some techincal questions or have skeleton's in your closet and it does not matter if you scored a 100 on the test.

Don't win over on the 1 on 1 interviewer and you walk out and get a letter in the mail a few weeks later. Again, it does not matter how well you score on the test.

The test is just ONE part of the process and that is all it is.

A better statement would be.. how many GIA people are turned away? 15-25%.. and it did not matter IF they had the test before hand. I think we average 50% of all interviewed are offered a position. The other 50% are a mix of GIA, peep's off the street which may include those guys with 3000-5000 hours...

 

[blade230]

Lineup&weight,

I know many Gulfstream guys, and I can tell you none of them had the INTERVIEW test. I know this because 2 of them failed it the first time around. Had to wait a year to re-interview, just like everyone else.

Why don't you tell your "high and mighty" high time captain friends to study a little harder next time. PFT or not. And try to stop attempting to insult people. Someone with a "great degree from an excellent university" shouldn't have to.

 

[Lineup&wt]

Hey guys everything on the table can I forward a resume to one of you to walk in, for a possible interview?