Anyone have the J4J/E190 Vote count?

[bvt1151]

You would have been critical regardless of the outcome. On behalf of airline management everywhere, I would like to extend our sincere appreciation for your contribution to the continued success of our Divide and Conquer strategy. Tool.

Apparently you were not involved in several of the other discussions regarding this topic in which CHQ pilots swore this would not pass. Don't rant about things you don't understand.

 

[Axel]

Apparently you were not involved in several of the other discussions regarding this topic in which CHQ pilots swore this would not pass.

Actually I was. They had no idea how anyone would vote except themselves. Not the point.

Don't rant about things you don't understand.

I understand. You have been consistently critical of the CHQ group and as such have made yourself the tool of management. Don't you think management knows they can get more from us if they play us off against each other? Stop helping them. CHQ/Mesa/SKYW are not the enemy. All the " (insert favorite bottom-feeding, bar-lowering whore group) haters" posting their vitriolic rants are perpetuating management's stategy of Divide and Conquer. Indeed I understand perfectly well

 

[BoilerUP]

BVT

As I recall reading, most CHQ pilots said they would probably vote YES because they were getting something without giving up anything.

 

[chrisdahut24]

Apparently you were not involved in several of the other discussions regarding this topic in which CHQ pilots swore this would not pass. Don't rant about things you don't understand.

BVT, you are a complete tool that has the least understanding of the situation. While many CHQ pilots has expressed the sentiment that we don't want to see 90+ seat flying at the regional level (as have many other regional pilots), We have no control over who gets 90 seaters. The decision has already been made that 90 seaters will be flown by regionals with the relaxation of scope at mainline. If you think by turning down the offer we voted on would help "save the industry", you have truly lost it.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

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[StarChecker]

Apparently you were not involved in several of the other discussions regarding this topic in which CHQ pilots swore this would not pass. Don't rant about things you don't understand.

Please please please post these discussions where any of us "swore" anything about this not passing.

We gave up nothing with this vote....God dammit will you please just get lost.

 

[Popeye0537]

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[bvt1151]

As I recall reading, most CHQ pilots said they would probably vote YES because they were getting something without giving up anything.

To all. Read this thread, take another look at my posts on the current thread, and then take a deep breath.


http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=59812

You all seem defensive about something.

 

[BoilerUP]

anyone waiting for E190's at CHQ/REP/S5 may have a long wait. I don't think the J4J deal for those aircraft are going to fly unless the company agrees to correct some current problems first. The pilots at CHQ/REP/S5 are tired of the abuse and refuse to jump for the "shiny new airplane" ploy.

Just wish we didn't have to deal with the E190's. They should be mainline aircraft!

If it's one thing I can guarantee, concessions aint' gonna' happen at CHQ/REP/SAC. We already need to bump the scales up as it is. His "threats" are very familiar...we heard it back in the day about the 145's.

Most of the people posting on that thread were not RAH pilots, and you know nobody takes "E170GuppyKiller" seriously as all he posts is flamebait.

The LOA includes J4J but the pilots didn't give up anything and got a few things in return, including system-wide buddy passes and the ability to transfer intra-certificate (pending FAA approval). The company corrected some problems and the pilot group reaps the benefits. Did you even read the proposal on the IBT website? There were no concessions involved in this vote, unlike Comair's recent package which has been discussed at length on this board ("its not a pay cut for growth its a pay freeze, but its okay because our rates are still higher than xxxx).

No RAH pilot should have to justify their vote to you or anybody else, but people get "defensive" when they hear the same old tired nonsense being repeated time and time again from people who choose to ignore the big picture. The loudmouth 1% at CHQ gives everybody else a black eye, but its like that anywhere, and those who complain the loudest seem to be the most jealous.

 

[Axel]

That thread was not about this j4j vote. It but concerned a passage in CHQ's spiritual leader's weekly sermon to the faithful. In the past, he has told his flock that the heathen pilots had queered some deals (most notably the United code share) when the heathen pilots refused to take concessions in order to land the deal. Funny he seems to land the deals anyway. Hmmm.

He tried that in this case (MDA acquisition) also and was met with stony silence, as the referenced thread accurately depicts. The j4j vote was his fallback and was much less than the tithe he originally requested. The CHQ group stood their ground and the j4j vote was the result.

SO- Noone said they would vote against the j4j. They said they would not take concessions to get more planes.

And they didn't, with the caveat that it is arguable that giving up half the seats on the new planes is a concession.