Anyone have the J4J/E190 Vote count?

[StarChecker]

Apparently you were not involved in several of the other discussions regarding this topic in which CHQ pilots swore this would not pass. Don't rant about things you don't understand.

Please please please post these discussions where any of us "swore" anything about this not passing.

We gave up nothing with this vote....God dammit will you please just get lost.

 

[Popeye0537]

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[bvt1151]

As I recall reading, most CHQ pilots said they would probably vote YES because they were getting something without giving up anything.

To all. Read this thread, take another look at my posts on the current thread, and then take a deep breath.


http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=59812

You all seem defensive about something.

 

[BoilerUP]

anyone waiting for E190's at CHQ/REP/S5 may have a long wait. I don't think the J4J deal for those aircraft are going to fly unless the company agrees to correct some current problems first. The pilots at CHQ/REP/S5 are tired of the abuse and refuse to jump for the "shiny new airplane" ploy.

Just wish we didn't have to deal with the E190's. They should be mainline aircraft!

If it's one thing I can guarantee, concessions aint' gonna' happen at CHQ/REP/SAC. We already need to bump the scales up as it is. His "threats" are very familiar...we heard it back in the day about the 145's.

Most of the people posting on that thread were not RAH pilots, and you know nobody takes "E170GuppyKiller" seriously as all he posts is flamebait.

The LOA includes J4J but the pilots didn't give up anything and got a few things in return, including system-wide buddy passes and the ability to transfer intra-certificate (pending FAA approval). The company corrected some problems and the pilot group reaps the benefits. Did you even read the proposal on the IBT website? There were no concessions involved in this vote, unlike Comair's recent package which has been discussed at length on this board ("its not a pay cut for growth its a pay freeze, but its okay because our rates are still higher than xxxx).

No RAH pilot should have to justify their vote to you or anybody else, but people get "defensive" when they hear the same old tired nonsense being repeated time and time again from people who choose to ignore the big picture. The loudmouth 1% at CHQ gives everybody else a black eye, but its like that anywhere, and those who complain the loudest seem to be the most jealous.

 

[Axel]

That thread was not about this j4j vote. It but concerned a passage in CHQ's spiritual leader's weekly sermon to the faithful. In the past, he has told his flock that the heathen pilots had queered some deals (most notably the United code share) when the heathen pilots refused to take concessions in order to land the deal. Funny he seems to land the deals anyway. Hmmm.

He tried that in this case (MDA acquisition) also and was met with stony silence, as the referenced thread accurately depicts. The j4j vote was his fallback and was much less than the tithe he originally requested. The CHQ group stood their ground and the j4j vote was the result.

SO- Noone said they would vote against the j4j. They said they would not take concessions to get more planes.

And they didn't, with the caveat that it is arguable that giving up half the seats on the new planes is a concession.

 

[mnalpha]

Ramblings of a madman or too much beer

too much beer, good call