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C-12Bubba

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Hello Y'all;

I'm inteviewing with ExpressJet on St. Patrick's day, and I'm curious if any of you guys who fly the -135-145ER/LR-or XR wanted to comment on it's performance, avionics, or general characteristics that you either like or dislike.

things like: "it climbs like a pig", or "it's noisy in the cockpit, and you have to wear david clarks." or "it doesn't have vnav, so you have to figure out crossing restrictions in your head and stuff..."
Things like that...

Thanks in advance for responses, and have a Guinness for me on St. Patty's day (I'll be having several when I get home)!!!
 
C-12Bubba said:
Hello Y'all;

things like: "it climbs like a pig", or "it's noisy in the cockpit, and you have to wear david clarks." or "it doesn't have vnav, so you have to figure out crossing restrictions in your head and stuff..."
Things like that...



It sounds like you've already got it all figured out.
 
Your correct except on a few things....
The 145XR and 135 climb fairly well.
The radar is almost worthless and its sporatic so you don't know before you take off if its going to work or not. The E145 has the highest lightening strikes for a reason.

You don't have to figure out crossing restrictions, the FMS will give you a glide slope but you have to follow it down by setting a rate of descent.

Overall, I like the airplane. The only real gripe I have is the radar and thats only because I've been spanked by it before. I do everything I can not to have to rely on it 100% for thunderstorm avoidance.
 
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You forgot to mention that the seats suck!

They tend to slide back at the worst possible times, even if you think you have them locked in place.
 
it doesnt climb as bad as the crj. its very fun and easy to fly. cockpit noise only seems to be bad 270kts and above though.
it can be tricky to slow down and get down in icing conditions because the engines spool up in ice, even at idle.
 
Radar is fine.....

the one's that don't work are working just fine......it's the operator that is INOP. Knowledge of how to properly work a radar is a very rare thing for most people.
 
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completly disagree. worst radar that i have ever used. it will lead you into stuff that you would normally see with a normal radar. EMB techs have admitted to crews at my Company that the radar is substandard and they were looking for potential fixes.
 
Well...........

As for the plane, I can't help you, but I will let you know the FTD flies pretty nice, and it's odd, there's pretty much no wind noise, so little I didn't even have to put the headset on!

Seriously though, I'll have to see if I can make it work, but Igoing from flying around at FL240, painting the storm and no ground clutter, and then transitioning to a jet at FL370, and having to paint ground clutter, as well as wx, and differentiating between the two, can cause people to think the radar's on ANY jet suck.
 
Thanks for all the help from you "radar experts" who know much more than the pilots that fly the 145.
The manufacturer of this radar has admitted publicly that the system has a problem. It is still not fixed. We have one airplane flying that has a modified radar system and by all reports it seems to work better. We live in hope.
 
I was a RADAR Tech (among other things) in the Navy for 6 years and have never seen a RADAR give bad information as much as this one does. For example, if it is in Stab mode, it does not automatically adjust to the pitch of the airplane. Instead, it seems to lock in on the tilt setting it's in.

ie. at FL370, you may be looking at a storm at 100 mi at -1 to +1 deg of tilt (depending on what you are looking for); start a descent at 4-5 deg nose down and the RADAR picture gets really bad.

That's just a start on what's wrong with it.

The best way to make it work for you is to constantly adjust it in flight when looking at a return and then decide what to do based on numerous scales and tilts to get a 'clear' picture of what's out there. The key thing is not to put full trust in it or you'll end up wishing you weren't flying that day.

lazy8s

Other than that the 145 is a great plane to fly.
 
things like: "it climbs like a pig", or "it's noisy in the cockpit, and you have to wear david clarks." or "it doesn't have vnav, so you have to figure out crossing restrictions in your head and stuff..."
It climbs like a champ. Today I did 1500 FPM all the way up at 49000lbs in an XR.
There are other options for headsets. Its has wind noise, but its sure a lot quieter than a prop. no vibrations.
VNAV is comming soon. Also, The fms calculates your descent.
 
Ponchus pilot said:
It climbs like a champ. Today I did 1500 FPM all the way up at 49000lbs in an XR.
There are other options for headsets. Its has wind noise, but its sure a lot quieter than a prop. no vibrations.
VNAV is comming soon. Also, The fms calculates your descent.


That's funny, my Champ will only do about 300' per minute. Gotta love those 65 ponies!
 
Thank you for pointing out that radar flying in a jet is different from radar flying in a turboprop down at low altitude. Prehaps thats what I've been doing wrong ALL this time. I can't wait to tell the other inexperienced jet pilots at my company the news! GUYS WE'VE JUST BEEN USING IT WRONG THE WHOLE TIME! HAHAHA! I am happy that there are guys with such extensive jet experience around here, thats why I come around. So I can LEARN about flying from the experts on the internet.
 
Thanks for all the responses, sounds like the XR is a winner!

Anything to say about the avionics?

Do you talk to dispatch via datalink or anything (ExpressJet
guys)? I saw something about that in their annual report.
 
ie. at FL370, you may be looking at a storm at 100 mi at -1 to +1 deg of tilt (depending on what you are looking for); start a descent at 4-5 deg nose down and the RADAR picture gets really bad.
... just like the radar in a Airbus/Boeing unless you change the TILT!!!
 
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ie. at FL370, you may be looking at a storm at 100 mi at -1 to +1 deg of tilt (depending on what you are looking for); start a descent at 4-5 deg nose down and the RADAR picture gets really bad.
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... just like the radar in a Airbus/Boeing unless you change the TILT!!!
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It would seem to me that if the radar stabilization system is working properly, the beam tilt would remain relatively constant with respect to the horizon, regardless of the pitch attitude of the aircraft (up to the gimbal limits of the antenna).

Of course, tilt will need to be adjusted after a significant change in altitude due to the change in geometry between the antenna, the weather and the ground. But the picture should not change significantly with a change in pitch attitude.

Is this not the case in the Airbus?

On a related note, I’ve noticed that both the Capt and F/O can select different tilts for each sweep of the antenna. How do most of you ERJ drivers like to run your radar in this regard? Do you keep the other pilot’s unit in STBY or do you prefer the change in picture with each sweep?

Do many CRJ pilots have any radar complaints? Is there a significant difference in the size of the CRJ and ERJ antenna, or does the ERJ have some sort of R/T, or display problems that cause a sub-standard “picture”?

Regards,
Spellcheck
 
It's a great airplane. Easy to fly. One of my FSI instructors once said it was a "pretty nice beginner's jet". At first I was insulted, but there is truth in his words.

Freddie Spencer, your avatar is the KING of all... Gotta' know who that babe is.
 
C-12Bubba said:
Do you talk to dispatch via datalink or anything (ExpressJet
guys)? I saw something about that in their annual report.

Yes, all of the aircraft at Express have ACARS. It can be used to talk to dispatch, mtx, get wx, etc...
 
All of the above as well as electronic W&B.
 
Its not a tilt issue, I dont know who brought that up. The tilt seems to work fine in our AC. The problem is that sometimes you can't even paint the freakin ground at the 25-50 mile ring. Others paint cells 100 miles away with clarity. Some don't paint anything until the nose is wet then you see that you are about to enter the center of a big red blob (the yellow portion brought the radar to life).
It's luck of the draw and you dont know what kind of radar you have until you need it. I do know that the 145XR's seem to have a better track record than the others, why? Who knows. But when I was an FO I flew with the two Captains who actually went out and took notes for Honeywell and flew with Honeywell reps. I had them teach me everything they knew about the thing because I was upgrading soon and I didnt want to get bit again.

The best way to deal with it, try to know where the Wx is before you go, try to re-route yourself around it, stay above it or in an area where you are VFR so you can see where you are going. Use the radar to confirm what you see....if its correct then don't worry about it. If it isnt correct then stay out of the Wx because you are blind. I have been out there in basically VFR conditions with a few cells around, pointed the thing right at a cell and painted green, regardless of tilt.
 
My experience w/ EMB radar (4years/3000 hrs.):

The Radar installation itself (Honeywell Primus 660/880) works about like it's supposed to. The problem is that this radar system is more appropriate for a different airframe.

The EMB airframe has several deficiencies that make it challenging for this radar istallation to perform consistantly and effectively.

On the groud BEFORE departure it works acceptably well to paint WX (3-4 degrees tilt UP, preferably in the 25 mile range).

After takeoff (until about 6-7000) a tilt of about 6 degrees (or more) is required to minimize ground clutter from a small 12-inch dish but, even then some performance is lost to dispersion.

In flight at low and middle altitudes, it also works REASONABLY well when painting WX (especially strong well defined returns with steep gradients) when you are CLEAR of precipitation.

Once in precipitation OR CHARGED CLOUD, is when this installation MAY lose considerable effectiveness because of the Airframe defeciencies noted above which involve two areas.

1. Radome shape, construction and condition.

2. The marginal ability of this airframe to dissipate static electricity (real reason for most of the lightning strikes that this aircraft takes and yes it does have the HIGHEST strike occurance of any aircraft out there).

The radome is a honeycomb-type composite radome treated with anti-static paint and is required to be clean, dry and free of excessive wear or damage (even a little !).

Radome related factors that will degrade radar performance include :

- Water film on the radome(or ice at high altitude).
- P-static on the radome (especially with EVEN A LITTLE missing paint)
- Micro holes caused by electrostatic discharge (which allow water to seep into the inside of the radome)
- Lightning strike damage
- Wear or damage to the clear abrasion boot.

Any single one of these factors (and especially a combination of them) will SIGNIFICANTLY degrade this radars performance ESPECIALLY while flying through precipitation.

The other area of airframe static is just as degrading to the radar as it is to the COMM radio function.

If you look at this airframe you can see a lot of pointy edges (nose, tail and wingtips) that make it a perfect static holder in flight despite the massive efforts to help it discharge static.

Most lightning strikes are because the aircraft holds a great deal of accumulated static (difficulty in discharge during high accumulation situations) while clear of actual thunderstorms in oppositely charged air, not because a thunderstorm was actually penetrated.

Many pre-mature thunderstorms with tops close to 30,000 feet will not have enough moisture condensation yet to truly be painted by this radar, while a Boeing, Airbus or MD-80 installation will give sooner warning because of its larger dish and blunter, less sensitive radome as well as easier airframe static dissapation capabilities.

Some things I do to minimize my problems :

1.) Get the "big picture" before departure.

2.) Preflight the radome CLOSELY (Very Important).

3.) Use the radar as much as possible before take off.

4.) Climb as quickly as possible to 7-8 thousand feet (if entering precip) because of pitch attitude/dispersion.

5.) Use the 25 mile range (or closer when flying thru precip).

6.) Use the TCAS to see where other aircraft are in relation to what my radar is painting (I especially like the 20/BELOW setting because frequently other aircraft like slower props may be visual below the cells while I'm relying solely on radar due to IMC).

7.) Stay visual is long as possible and use those times of visual ability to make deviations that might be advisable without assistance from the radar.

8.) Fly VERY cautiously at night because of the reduced visual capability.

9.) When flying thru precip, with embedded activity in the vacinity and COMM static is present, recognize that your radar may be equally effected.

10.) When in doubt as to the ride, sloooooooooooow the airplane down (it also reduces static build-up).

11.) Hope for the best with the element of luck.

Anyway, just my .02 cents.

Other than that and a pathetic flight director (EICAS software versions below 18.5), it's not a bad aircraft.

There is one other little item that I'd be curious to hear if other EMB drivers have experienced (or heard ablout).

Has anyone had the hydraulic rudder system disengage during landing (subsequent EICAS "HYD SYS 1-2 INOP") in gusty crosswinds ?
 
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That's a pretty good summary of how to operate the radar, so it's pretty much a good radar, but the way it's installed in this aircraft makes it less than effective?

Any place online to learn about the ERJ, or any books to read that talk about it? I'm still curious about how y'all fly it, but don't want to clobber the place with threads...

Thanks for all the good responses!
 
The Radar sucks!!! It will show level 3 and above when you get within 5 miles. You know when your in trouble because the radios cut out from the electrical energy. Scary but I tune the ADF and watch for the lightning swing....then go the other way.

If our radar is so good than why is the company putting money into real time data links with ground based radar. That will be SWEET!!!

The only other big complaint is the flight director. Very Lathargic. Tracks a course about like an old lady with a walker. Just embarrising at times! The ATRs with the same FMS were great.
 

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