Anyone else loathe studying?

[bigD]

minitour - is there only one DE in your area? Around here, we send our students to any one of seven different DE's, depending on need. If the examiner is going to bust you for not knowing what the fuel cap is made of - you need to looking for a different examiner.

 

[User546]

I agree with bigD, mini. I don't know what availibility you have with other examiners, but I would by all means try to find another one.

What your describing is exactly what I had to go thru on stage checks at the flight academy I use to attend. The stuff they made you learn, and would bust you on, was so bogus you can't even put it into words.

That's not real world mini, and your not out of line for questioning it. Seems that you know thoroughly what your suppose to know (how systems work in relation to problems, etc.). Just seems like you got an examiner that either has a chip on his shoulder, or is a really miserable human being who enjoys making people fail.

The way I approach systems is through the viewpoint of real-world flying. When I'm flying, and an annunciator light comes on, what are some possible causes of it, what can I do to remedy the problem, and what ramifications might that cause? You'll never find yourself somewhere, especially in flight, where you need to field strip the fuel system and electrical systems via these diagrams you have to draw!

And in your situation, maybe that'd be fine if you were going to be staying in an aircraft as a job, but I know what rating your finishing up, and I know that you won't probably ever fly in that kind of aircraft again.

Hang in there Bro...

 

[Metro752]

Whats wrong with your drawings? Is the guy complaining about crooked lines or something? Hang in there, and don't use him as your DE.

 

[Goose Egg]

But why is it that our check airman is doinking people on stage checks because they can't:
1. Recite word for word the airworthiness certificate? Registration certificate?
2. Draw exactly as drawn in the POH the electrical system? Fuel system? Hydraulic System? etc?
3. Tell him what the fuel caps are made out of?

What stage of what curriculum? I mean, obviously reciting word for word the airworthiness and registration has no value, and the fuel cap thing sounds a little sketchy (but I'd still be interested in knowing what they were made out of and why), but I'm not so sure about the systems stuff. One of my college classes was basically a 737-200 systems ground school. I had to draw a lot of stuff, but I can still tell you how everything works. I think it's about depth of knowledge. The more you know about something, the more likely you are to be able to figure out what's wrong with it.

I think it might be worth mentioning that, while it is good to challenge students to learn more (especially the ones that think they already have it down), it should be an appropriate level of challenge. For example, drawing the fuel system of any given training airplane might be a little much for Private Pilot Stage A, but Commercial Stage C ought to have it down.

I agree that sometimes instructors get carried away with some of the things that they require of students. However, flying is something that absolutely requires that deficits in motivation be "toughed out."

 

[100LL... Again!]

Minitour - your check airman is a TOOL who is in the final stages of terminal mental m-st-rb-tion.

He would not last 6 months as an airline check airman. Busting people over that crap will get you an invitation to go leave the training department.

He is probably bitter that he is not in the position he wants to be in, so he plans to make life he11 for all of the students he can.
Thankfully, unprofessional dorks like him are the exception, not the rule.

I guarantee I could administer an exam on his OWN airplane and on basic IFR operations that he would have no chance of passing. But what would be the point of that?

He's just p-o'd that not everyone else is a big a tool as he is. Where in the US do you train?

 

[Northern Lights]

Mini.

That examiner needs a reality check! Especially if you are at the CFI level. If you can explain it, and give a basic drawing, that should be good enough. If you were actually with a student, you would pull out the POH and have the exact drawing, free of errors right there in front of you. I always told my CFI students to bring every reference source they could carry to the checkride, just in case they had to back up an answer or clarify something.

 

[minitour]

hmm...well...

Thanks for confirming what I was thinking...that kinda makes me feel a bit better .

Anyone know a good way to learn to draw the systems exactly as drawn in the POH? I guess committing the Airworthiness/Registration certificate to memory won't be too hard...just another memory thing...it just seems so trivial, but...

Oh well...there's at least 2 here that are like this.

Giving an instrument ride the other day, the other guy (after takeoff) asked the kid, "so what would you do if you experienced a compressor stall right now?".

The kid had no idea what a compressor stall was...he's flying a freakin 172!

Ah...thanks for letting me vent again...

-mini

 

[User546]

Giving an instrument ride the other day, the other guy (after takeoff) asked the kid, "so what would you do if you experienced a compressor stall right now?".

The kid had no idea what a compressor stall was...he's flying a freakin 172!

You've got to be kidding me.... What a total Tool that guy is.

He probably rode right seat in a jet for 20 minutes one time, and now wants everyone to know that he knows all things turbine.

 

[minitour]

You've got to be kidding me.... What a total Tool that guy is.

He probably rode right seat in a jet for 20 minutes one time, and now wants everyone to know that he knows all things turbine.

well I'll at least give him credit for not busting the kid on it...as though a checkride isnt nerve-wracking enough, the kid was probably thinking "I didn't know something and we just took off!?!"

actually about a month ago there was a Global Express in here...the CA took a bunch of folks from the flight school and he was one...

I guess he looked like a total ass...

At one point he said "oh so it's not like the airlines" and the CA replied "we take pride in not being like the airlines" or something like that...

I wish I could have been there...

-mini

 

[User546]

Your darn right he didn't bust that kid on it. That would've went over like a lead baloon with the Chief Pilot! Busted a kid in a 172 on an instrument checkride for not knowing what a compressor stall was!

Sounds like the CA handed it to him though with his reply! That'd been great to witness!