Anybody else heard...?

[rice]

Yeah,

It is sort of a gray area with the Feds. My company got a difinitive answer from our POI and he stands by the empty legs being p91 with no duty time restrictions. They understand that the repos are paid by the customer but still don't concider it as 135.
With that said my company won't let us go past 14 for safety reasons.

I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing with your POI's interpretation but HE/SHE is NOT the final authority on this issue. Best check FAA General Counsel's legal opinion on this one.

 

[Photoflight]

Every place is different....

Were not allowed to bust 14 hours Total duty for any reason what so ever. WX, MX, ATC delays etc.. etc.. We're suppost to foresee any delays and if we see ourselves going over 14hours duty then we have to cancel..per our POI.

And as for flying empty legs on your rest period...I've always understood that you can volunteer to do it. For example stay in a hotel on friday night or fly back fri. night for the weekend but if the company is telling you to do it ....its commercial flight time and therefore needs to be included in your total duty time and commercial flight time.

 

[pilotyip]

The company can order you to fly part 91 on a tail end ferry, it does not count for flight time or duty on the previous trip, but must be included when considering the start of rest. Crews always have the option to call Fatique and say they can not safely do the trip. Lets see over night MMHO or KELP, lets tail end ferry to KELP it is only a 1.0. ELP here I come.

 

[flipper66]

One other thing to keep in mind when flying past 14 hours of duty (i.e. on a part 91 deadhead home) is 91.13-careless or reckless operation. Although you might be legal to fly home, if you're too tired to do so then you're no longer legal. To be honest the only time you're likely to run up against this is if you screw up (i.e. accident/incident or whatever-heck, they can even get you for this one if it was during your normal 14 hours duty if they find that you weren't rested and ready for duty at the start of your duty time).