Any word of Hawaiian or Aloha recalls or hiring?

[HAL]

They are going to have to send out letters soon if they want to fly that 1st 767 this summer.

That's what I was wondering about. Even if they put out the bid today, it wouldn't close until late March, and figuring on the required time to sort out the recalls, the training wouldn't begin until May at the earliest. Figure two months for long-course and the first of us wouldn't be getting out of training until late June or early July, with the remainder of the first 25 stretching out until August. Every week the bid doesn't come out pushes that even later into the summer or fall.

It is good to hear that the 'zero-net planes' rumor is false though.

HAL

 

[FlickerFade]

Davies put out on the exec. line last week that the first a/c was estimated for an august online time, so not getting the bid out for at least another month wouldn't be far-fetched. after the long search for more a/c to expand with, rumors suggesting turn in of a/c are pretty funny if they weren't so cruel to those who have been jerked around enough.
the only turnback was suggested by MD at the oct. meeting when he said in order to efficiently take on the 757, we'd need to get 5-7 of them, that would be too many to absorb and we'd have to turn in a few 767's, and that is just too cost-prohibitive. I'm bullish on Hawaiian, just bought more stock!!!

 

[mdanno808]

I see that there are no captain reserves in Honolulu today. Good to see that scheduling is maintaining adequate reserves. Oh well, as long as there are guys willing to pick up extra flying, it's all moot isn't it? For Dan Roman, what is ALPA doing about correcting the staffing formula? Scheduling is meeting the minimum required, but it is obviously still inadequate to cover the flying. I saw Kirk's message regarding recall flying, and its questionable nature under the current conditions, but is anything really being done? I spoke to a friend of mine who said he flew on every reserve day but one last month, and that recall flying is still occuring in record numbers.
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[Erndogg]

I see that there are no captain reserves in Honolulu today. Good to see that scheduling is maintaining adequate reserves. Oh well, as long as there are guys willing to pick up extra flying, it's all moot isn't it?

The current (flawed) staffing formula takes into account recalls on light days. Begining and ending of months are weakness of this formula since alot of guys/gals bid the first 10 or last 10 off of the month.
There are going to be some serious shortfalls this summer if they depend on the formula.

 

[mdanno808]

Kirk's message from the MEC stated that they were concerned about the staffing formula, and with the legality of recall, and of accepting recall according to the current contract. He also stated that they would be addressing these concerns with the company. I guess what I'm asking is has there been any progress, or new news regarding this issue. I saw your wife a few days ago, hope you guys are doing well, and I hope to see you back on the line soon.

 

[Erndogg]

Haven't heard any thing yet as far as the staffing formula from the union-but I will inquire. Flying this afternoon with a check airman-so I will inquire about our training bubble coming up.
Hope to see all you guys/gals back soon-hopefully real soon.

 

[Dan Roman]

I see that there are no captain reserves in Honolulu today. Good to see that scheduling is maintaining adequate reserves. Oh well, as long as there are guys willing to pick up extra flying, it's all moot isn't it? For Dan Roman, what is ALPA doing about correcting the staffing formula? Scheduling is meeting the minimum required, but it is obviously still inadequate to cover the flying. I saw Kirk's message regarding recall flying, and its questionable nature under the current conditions, but is anything really being done? I spoke to a friend of mine who said he flew on every reserve day but one last month, and that recall flying is still occuring in record numbers.

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Hi Dan, Haven't heard anything new on the staffing formula, but Earndog is right, it appears flawed and I believe Kirk is addressing it. I'm sure you aware of the pissing match over Seavy. Looks like we may be at a crossroads concerning employee relations with management, it's going to be interesting!

 

[mdanno808]

R.W. lives across the street from my dad, and I saw him yesterday when he wrote the letter. I thought it was great, and supposedly Dunk wanted a meeting with him today, but never called to set it up. Who knows what will happen huh? The drama never ends. I hope things get worked out.

 

[Erndogg]

Some more updated info
1. Training is starting to prepare for recalls. (been moving active guys/gals base month up). I'm in May but they are probably sending me to SEA in April.
Also there was a memo in my box regarding instructor/check airman positions.
one Check Airman seems to think that notices will go out April maybe sooner?

2. There is a 5th 767 in the works besides the 4 from Delta per one of our Sr. Dir. Good news since it will mean more recalls. It's suppose to be a ER model and will be used. (unlike the 4th Delta bird). That will bring the fleet to 18 767's once we recieve the A/C.

3. The Seavy thing is BS. He's been the best CP since I've been on the property. Hopefully these guys wise up and cut him some slack!

Hope that helps.

 

[Erndogg]

Hal, if your out there?
How's the Hawaii service going with HP? Just got in from LAS and heard one of their 757's doing a turnback to the west coast.

PS I was off on the a/c total: it was 19 total.

 

[Capt. X]

Aloha Airlines Announces Convenient New Service Between Orange County and Sacramento, California
Monday March 6, 11:00 am ET

HONOLULU, March 6 /PRNewswire/ -- Aloha Airlines, which provides the only daily non-stops direct from John Wayne Airport to Honolulu, Maui and Kona, is adding convenient service between Orange County and Sacramento, beginning May 2, 2006. Aloha's 7:30 a.m. departure from Orange County will be the first flight of the day to Sacramento.

Now in its 60th year of service to Hawaii, Aloha has been serving John Wayne Airport with non-stops direct to Hawaii since 2000. With the addition of Sacramento service, Aloha offers six convenient flights a day from its Southern California mini-hub at John Wayne Airport, including flights to Honolulu, Maui, Kona, Las Vegas and Reno/Tahoe. Other Aloha non-stops to Hawaii depart daily from San Diego and Oakland.

 

[Dan Roman]

X,
My guess is AQ will be expanding out of Orange County. AirCal is gone, there's plenty of room for a niche airline to grow and an airplane with ALOHA on it has a automatic marketing edge flying in and out of any mainland airport. My guess is you guys could do quite well flying out of JWA.

 

[Capt. X]

Roman

I agree with the SNA plan. AQ gets 3 or 4 domestic slots for every heavy slot. Heavy meaning GTOW to islands. We have about 4 now so 12 to 16 domestic slots. Our CEO used to be an AirCal guy, so you're probably right about that. What ever happens, just glad to be out of BK...

 

[fellows]

I agree, look for all the expansion to be out of SNA. The "mini hub" will grow to be a real hub in the future.

 

[islandhopper]

Aloha Airlines Announces Convenient New Service Between Orange County and Sacramento, California
Monday March 6, 11:00 am ET

HONOLULU, March 6 /PRNewswire/ -- Aloha Airlines, which provides the only daily non-stops direct from John Wayne Airport to Honolulu, Maui and Kona, is adding convenient service between Orange County and Sacramento, beginning May 2, 2006. Aloha's 7:30 a.m. departure from Orange County will be the first flight of the day to Sacramento.

Now in its 60th year of service to Hawaii, Aloha has been serving John Wayne Airport with non-stops direct to Hawaii since 2000. With the addition of Sacramento service, Aloha offers six convenient flights a day from its Southern California mini-hub at John Wayne Airport, including flights to Honolulu, Maui, Kona, Las Vegas and Reno/Tahoe. Other Aloha non-stops to Hawaii depart daily from San Diego and Oakland.

sweet avatar, where ever did you get it?

 

[HAL]

Hal, if your out there?
How's the Hawaii service going with HP? Just got in from LAS and heard one of their 757's doing a turnback to the west coast.

From the info I have heard, it's actually been doing quite well. I've checked a bunch of the loads recently and the planes are usually close to maxed out. We just started service to KOA and LIH so now most of the 757 fleet is doing the Hawaii flying, turning over their old stuff to us on the Airbus. Admittedly, the 757's themselves are the weak point for us since they are so old, but that is the first turnback I've heard about - the Chief Pilot is pretty good about letting us know what is going on in his weekly updates. Once the merger is complete next year they'll start cycling in some of USAirways' newer planes to Hawaii.

PS I was off on the a/c total: it was 19 total.

That's good news no matter how you add it up.

HAL

 

[Erndogg]

Hal,
It was the PHX-OGG flight today the 6th. Had a Hydraulic issue and turned back. Dont know where it went but everything sounded OK.
Question on the 757; Are they taking any non-revs, or are they weight restricted?
We were carrying bags for them at first, but I haven't heard anything lately?
I have family that non revs out of PHX and they like the late departure times.

 

[Capt. X]

sweet avatar, where ever did you get it?

From you, I believe..Off Delphi

 

[HAL]

Hal,
Question on the 757; Are they taking any non-revs, or are they weight restricted?

There are a few N/R's getting on, but the planes are pretty full with revenue pax. The weight issues came up because of a bad combination of strong headwinds, lower GW aircraft, and having to carry a bunch of heavy equipment (tow bars, engine parts, etc) to HNL and OGG during the first few weeks. They have a paperwork change ($$) in the works to up the MGTOW that should be done soon. But there haven't been any problems lately. It's pretty much like trying to non-rev on HA out of SEA - full planes and not good odds, but it can be done occasionally. The biggest problem might be your family's boarding status. We're now open to non-revs from the entire USAirways employee group, who would board above other-airline non-revs, and it's a pretty popular option for them.

HAL

 

[Erndogg]

It's pretty much like trying to non-rev on HA out of SEA - full planes and not good odds, but it can be done occasionally.

Hal,
Thanks for the info, SEA will get alot more flights from these A/C that are coming. SEA-OGG would go back to daily (4 days a week now) and the 2nd SEA-HNL will be daily also.
Who knows they might expand the SEA base?

 

[mdanno808]

I can tell you that I was jumpseating to PHX to go to work about a month ago, and AWA was jam packed, not one seat available. HAL on the other hand....

 

[Dan Roman]

I can tell you that I was jumpseating to PHX to go to work about a month ago, and AWA was jam packed, not one seat available. HAL on the other hand....

Actually our loads have been good. Our traffic is point to point, whereas AWA has a lot of feed from their hub and of course a lot of frequent flyers. According to the station manager last time I was there, the competition hasn't hurt us at all. I think of it like any other big city. Plenty of room for both. LAX has about a half a dozen airlines flying to HNL.

 

[mdanno808]

Don't know the loads on a daily basis, only on the day in question about a month ago. So what's the deal with this new plane?

 

[Erndogg]

Don't know the loads on a daily basis, only on the day in question about a month ago. So what's the deal with this new plane?

It's suppose to be an ER model that was orignally delivered to SAS and has recently been with AeroMexico. That was what I got from a Check Airman. (no idea were they might fly it?)
As far as loads out of PHX-just like Dan said there is room in the market for both of us. It's the 5th largest city in the US I think.

 

[Erndogg]

Pacific Business News
A local airline and a local hotel chain have formed an alliance to let travelers check in for flights while checking out in a hotel lobby.
Hawaiian Airlines and Outrigger Hotels & Resorts say travelers can do the entire airport check-in at specified hotels including luggage drop off.
The two companies said Monday that this is the first time the entire airport check-in process has been brought to Waikiki.
Hawaiian Airlines, Aloha Airlines and some Mainland carriers have previously offered luggage pick-up with boarding passes, but the new program appears to be an expansion of the idea to cover more people.
"Together, Outrigger and Hawaiian have established a higher standard for traveling to and from Hawaii with this new remote check-in service," said Blaine Miyasato, Hawaiian's vice president of customer services.
The new remote check-in service is available daily from 6:30-10:30 a.m. at the Outrigger Waikiki on the Beach, Outrigger Reef on the Beach, Ohana East and Ohana Maile Sky Court.
"Remote airport check-in with luggage service in these four hotels lets our guests spend a few extra hours enjoying all that Waikiki has to offer, not to mention a more leisurely airport experience when they bypass lines," said Rob Solomon, senior vice president of sales and marketing for Outrigger.
Hawaii residents and nonhotel guests traveling aboard Hawaiian may also use the service.
Hawaiian delivers the luggage to the airport for processing through agriculture and security inspections. At the airport, travelers go straight through security to the departure gate and pick up their luggage upon arrival at their destination. The fee is $5 per bag and $15 per family (up to 4 passengers in one itinerary). Customers wanting to check in for flights and only print boarding passes can do so free of charge.