Any traffic in the area, please, advise.

[A Squared]

Yeah, I knew that would get your attention. It was brought to my attention that the newest revision of the AIM specifically states that the phrase: "Any traffic in the area, please, advise." is bad and should not be used (4-1-9 (g)(1).

SO, that should settle it, right? Discuss.

Just for the record, I don't have strong feelings about the issue, I don't use the phrase, but neither does it make my blood boil to hear somone else use it. But I know that it is a matter of great interest to some.

 

[unreal]

I don't think there's much wrong with it if the pilot also takes care to adequately clear the area visually and use standard pattern entry procedures. The people that I worry about are the ones that say "Any aircraft in the area, please advise," then chug into the pattern with a non-standard entry without scanning just because there was no response.

Even if someone does scan the area and enter correctly, I still think that it is bad form. Then again, you can call me a hypocrite for that. I still say "upwind."

 

[icefr8dawg]

Say whatever you want out there in Wi, or Mn. but PLEASE, here in the NY/NJ are we really don't have the room for the redundant calls or any more than base, final and deparing.


oh, and i live for the nonstandard pattern. I'm on the one slipping sideways through the trees on base ;P

I don't think there's much wrong with it if the pilot also takes care to adequately clear the area visually and use standard pattern entry procedures. The people that I worry about are the ones that say "Any aircraft in the area, please advise," then chug into the pattern with a non-standard entry without scanning just because there was no response.

Even if someone does scan the area and enter correctly, I still think that it is bad form. Then again, you can call me a hypocrite for that. I still say "upwind."

 

[SSDD]

I think it gives the false impression that you're getting everyone's attention, but ignore's the fact that many aircraft don't have electrical systems, much less a radio.

 

[Fearless Tower]

Say whatever you want out there in Wi, or Mn. but PLEASE, here in the NY/NJ are we really don't have the room for the redundant calls or any more than base, final and deparing.

I'll second that. The level of annoyance at pointless or redundant calls has alot to do with the congestion on the freq. It's bad enough in the Northeast where you have so bloody many uncontrolled airports within the same geographic area sharing 2 or 3 CTAF frequencies. It's enough of a pain just trying to communicate standard intentions when at any given time you can hear traffic for 5 different airports. Add to that someone tying up the freq with unnecessary babble and it'll make you want to reach through the mike and choke someone.

 

[agpilot34]

I dont have a problem with that phrase, as long as it's used ONCE. I hate to hear guys use it on EVERY call until they're on the ground. I agree also that it DOES NOT take the place of good visual scanning and proper traffic pattern entry.

 

[ReverseSensing]

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Here's the link.

AIM 4-1-9

g. Self-Announce Position and/or Intentions
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1. General. Self-announce is a procedure whereby pilots broadcast their position or intended flight activity or ground operation on the designated CTAF. This procedure is used primarily at airports which do not have an FSS on the airport. The self-announce procedure should also be used if a pilot is unable to communicate with the FSS on the designated CTAF. Pilots stating, "Traffic in the area, please advise" is not a recognized Self-Announce Position and/or Intention phrase and should not be used under any condition.​

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[Snakum]

Most of my 'fun' flying is done at uncontrolled fields, and it boggles my mind that some of you have an issue with pilots asking for traffic advisories on the way in. I know personally I don't allow that request to take the place of a good scan and self-announce of positions, and I doubt others are doing it, either. I like that other pilots ask when I'm out banging around locally, and I ask as well when heading back. So I say ... the more information, the better.

What are you ... the effing radio police? I want all the information I can possibly get (or give) when I'm sharing small pieces of sky with other fast moving objects.

 

[paulsalem]

I hate it and never use it. I just listen for others to self-announce.

I really hate the Airport Advisory question when an airport has Wx reporting.

Single runway, wind down the runway at 15kts, and people ask which runway is in use?

It's an uncontrolled field, land with a tailwind if you like, see if I care.

If you'd just listen for a bit, you will probably hear somone self annouce position, and runway number. If not, then there isn't anybody in the area, do whatever you want!

 

[AC560]

Single runway, wind down the runway at 15kts, and people ask which runway is in use?

If I had a dollar for everytime I flew into an uncontrolled airport and they were landing/departing the wrong way I would be a billionare.