Any SOLID info on Virgin payscales

[psycho]

No agendas please. Any info on Virgin firsthand is appreciated.

 

[johnnyb]

$95 for Captain $44 F/O 70 hour min pay. No FAA or DOT approval yet so you'll be sitting on min until ??????

 

[RedTailSwinger]

$95 for Captain $44 F/O 70 hour min pay. No FAA or DOT approval yet so you'll be sitting on min until ??????

I guess thats a lot better than U.S. Airways ($25 for Captain and F/O first year) on the A320. Or $38 if you count the America West payscale. I have always hated how legacy airlines make the first year so insulting.

 

[B727Driver]

Used to be that the legacy airlines would pay poverty wages while they trained you and on probation. Today, most applicants are very well trained and bring tons of experience to the first day of class. Dumping the first year poverty payscale, it is up to those senior to you. You are 100% correct, it is an insult (not too many first yr Capts. running around at legacy carriers).

 

[skiandsurf]

Used to be that the legacy airlines would pay poverty wages while they trained you and on probation. Today, most applicants are very well trained and bring tons of experience to the first day of class. Dumping the first year poverty payscale, it is up to those senior to you. You are 100% correct, it is an insult (not too many first yr Capts. running around at legacy carriers).

Most of us can get by for a year on poverty wages when they are hanging a $250,000 carrot out in front of us. But now that carrot has doesnt look that good at $150,000.

Pay me little now, but the reward better be big in a few years.

 

[sstearns2]

There's been a Virgin America airbus in SFO for a couple weeks now parked at the FBO on the north side.

Scott

 

[GogglesPisano]

Used to be that the legacy airlines would pay poverty wages while they trained you and on probation. Today, most applicants are very well trained and bring tons of experience to the first day of class. Dumping the first year poverty payscale, it is up to those senior to you. You are 100% correct, it is an insult (not too many first yr Capts. running around at legacy carriers).

Negotiating committees are staffed by senior guys who "went through it and paid their dues ... yadda, yadda, yadda." No one gives a ********************e about newbies.

Sad but true.

 

[B727Driver]

Goggles.....I agree with you, newhire pay doesn't need to be as low as it is at some carriers. Hard to ask for unity when a newbie is paid like a third class citizen. I believe you pay your dues far earlier in your career.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Goggles.....I agree with you, newhire pay doesn't need to be as low as it is at some carriers. Hard to ask for unity when a newbie is paid like a third class citizen. I believe you pay your dues far earlier in your career.

Agreed. Dues are paid tenfold by the time you're competitive at a legacy.

 

[Ty Webb]

I don't think any dues have been paid until you run up and kick a V.P. in the shins . . . . or the nuts. . . . . literally or metaphorically.





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[B727Driver]

go Ty go!! mumble something is German.

 

[Ty Webb]

Erhalten Sie Ihren Esel aus meinem neuen Büro . . . .

Which, according to a free on-line translator, means, "Receive your donkey out of my new office".


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[labbats]

Any payscales at Virgin should be looked at with suspicion if Carty is in charge. My mind reels at the thought process that chose a man like him to run this endeavor.

 

[AA717driver]

I think I priced myself out of the market. I under "current pay" on the app, I listed my pay for last year which was still higher than CA pay at Virgin Am.

Good luck to those who get on. Have fun.TC

 

[b757driver]

Goggles.....I agree with you, newhire pay doesn't need to be as low as it is at some carriers. Hard to ask for unity when a newbie is paid like a third class citizen. I believe you pay your dues far earlier in your career.

Only in America is this true.....God bless America!
I've been waiting 3 years to come back home for a half decent job. Trouble is, it's hardly worth my while. I'd take an immediate 50% drop in salary, maybe more. Where's the incentive? A promise of upgrade within x years? Yeah, I've heard that one many times and it never happened!
Some people are STILL paying dues years later and of course, if you switch to a new company, you start over again and again..........gets tiring after a while.

 

[rjpilot7667]

Airline managment at all carriers are smoking crack. We take all of the risk and the responsibility, make 100% of the profit for the company and yet get the shaft in the end when it comes to income. There should be a union...oh wait they have been a saving grace to the legacy's.

 

[difete]

Just saw one A320 flying out of SFO yesterday, it must have been a test run, cause it was called by its tail number.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

I guess thats a lot better than U.S. Airways ($25 for Captain and F/O first year) on the A320. Or $38 if you count the America West payscale. I have always hated how legacy airlines make the first year so insulting

Virgin 70 hours guarantee at $44 = $3080 gross
America West 77 hours at $38 = $2926 gross

Year two at AWA is $59 an hour, year 3 is $68 with 77 hour guarantees what is the year two and three scale at Virgin?

 

[Speedbird87]

Year two you will be a Captain at VA year 12 you will still be a F/O at USAir West.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Not everyone will be... What happens when that quick upgrade stops and now everyone is trying to live on a 70 hour month at those wages.

Plus I can make 95 an hour as an FO at USAirways, will any of the Virgin guys be able to when the growth stops.

Virgin, good for some, bad for everyone else.

 

[CX880]

I don't think the grnt. min is 70, I think it's 85 for VA. While we're on the subject, does anybody know anything about the old pay at Southwest? I always hear that they were the lowest paid for a long time and at what period did their pay actually become one of the highest?

 

[difete]

Any news on their approcval? I heard rumors that it was granted.. any news?

 

[kman]

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/major-national-lcc/virgin_america.html

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

What the hell does this mean???? ( Upgrade to captain is merit-based )
"We no like you, you no upgrade" So much for a seniority system...

 

[vixin]

Also nice how you go back to first year captain pay when you upgrade. Merit based upgrade what sheit is that. Woopy $5 dollar a year raise after 25 years its $120 go knok those doors down.

 

[AA717driver]

Merit based means that some of the FO's they hired now won't upgrade in seniority. They have to have at least 1000 hours in the aircraft to be considered.

It's a huge break for some lucky RJ pilots. Now, some are bitching about not being able to upgrade in seniority (even though they knew the deal when they took the job) and they don't have an hour in the real airplane.

The 70 hour guarantee is only until operations start up. I don't know what it will be after that but I believe they are looking at being able to fly 80 +.

Finally, they got conditional approval from the DOT (or is it DOJ?). Just like they got a conditional rejection before. When they got turned down, it was not a "he!! no". It was just "no--but if you fix this, this and this, we'll reconsider your app.". Now, it's "you will be finally approved if you fix this item".

BTW, from the description I got, their uniforms make JB's look mainstream. TC

P.S.--No one owes anyone here a job at VA. If you don't like their deal, don't go to work there. If it's THAT bad a deal, you can smugly sit back and laugh at those who are flying for VA.

 

[Shrek]

Merit based means that some of the FO's they hired now won't upgrade in seniority. They have to have at least 1000 hours in the aircraft to be considered.

It's a huge break for some lucky RJ pilots. Now, some are bitching about not being able to upgrade in seniority (even though they knew the deal when they took the job) and they don't have an hour in the real airplane.

The 70 hour guarantee is only until operations start up. I don't know what it will be after that but I believe they are looking at being able to fly 80 +.

Finally, they got conditional approval from the DOT (or is it DOJ?). Just like they got a conditional rejection before. When they got turned down, it was not a "he!! no". It was just "no--but if you fix this, this and this, we'll reconsider your app.". Now, it's "you will be finally approved if you fix this item".

BTW, from the description I got, their uniforms make JB's look mainstream. TC

P.S.--No one owes anyone here a job at VA. If you don't like their deal, don't go to work there. If it's THAT bad a deal, you can smugly sit back and laugh at those who are flying for VA.

It is THAT BAD OF A DEAL............but I agree - if you go over there and THEN bitch you have no excuse.

 

[rchcfi]

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