Any One Seen The New King Air Panel

[Citationkid]

Wow is all I can say. One of my dad's friend just ordered one and was talking about the panel and neither me or my dad had a clue what he was talking about. Well I looked in my FLYING mag today and saw an article all about it and was amazed at what I saw. It was beautiful. Just three collions screens make up the whole panel. I can't wait to get my hands on it, he's getting it in January. Has any one else seen or flown one with a panel like this?

 

[Whirlwind]

First of all, unless your Dad's friend is using it for business, he has too much money.

Unless of course he wants me to come fly it, then it sounds just right!!!

The closest I've come is the glass panel in the Cirrus SR-22. Nice airplane, and that glass will spoil you quick. Too much money for me however.

Fly Safe!

 

[Citationkid]

That's exactly what I said when the guy said he was buying a brand new King Air. 5.1 million . It's going to be used to take all of the family to their house's in Florida, all of them are very wealthy. One of them is a GIV capt. so he'll be one of the pilots, my dad will be one (part time), and they have another guy that'll fly it, oh yeah and me in the right seat

 

[NJA Capt]

...a brand new King Air. 5.1 million

Was that the Oct Flying mag? Can't wait to see the picture. They don't have a pic on the Raytheon website yet.

I'll take out my crystal Magic 8 ball and say this, "The King Air days are numbered." If a person has $5 million dollars to sink on a plane, why would you pick props over a jet? Good grief, you can buy a used Lear 45 for 5 million! Need something that will fly a short mission, get a CJ1/CJ2.

All due respect to your Dad's friend, Alex. I saw that price the other day and about fell out of my chair.

 

[Whirlwind]

I'll take out my crystal Magic 8 ball and say this, "The King Air days are numbered." If a person has $5 million dollars to sink on a plane, why would you pick props over a jet? Good grief, you can buy a used Lear 45 for 5 million! Need something that will fly a short mission, get a CJ1/CJ2.

Yea, I often wonder about stuff like that, but hey, it is a new plane!

Perhaps the King Air has a lower per hour cost of ownership? I wouldn't know, I've never flown one.

 

[msw]

You gonna stick 8 people and two pilots and some baggage in that CJ1/CJ2? Don't think so. If I typically only carried 2 - 3 people over 400 - 700 NM stage lengths, then yeah, I'd probably go for a CJ1 or 2. But 6 - 8 people (not including the pilots) over the same distance, and maybe needing some shorter field performance, then gimme that King Air 350!

 

[freightdoggie]

You can fly a citation bravo, depending on the mission requirements, for a lower cost per hour than you can a King Air. If it happens to not work out that way, Cessna will write you a check for the difference, guaranteed for a certain time period, a few years I believe

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Many BRAND NEW aircraft purchases are done for depreciation reasons also...making a far more expensive aircraft cost about the same as that used Jet.

but then again, there is a reason some folks BUY $5mil. plane and some just FLY a $5mil plane.....

 

[WrightAvia]

I don't really know new King Air prices. Are we talking King Air 300 or 350?

Does the CJ1/CJ2 have the same runway requirements as those King Airs? Maybe field length has a lot to do with the choice also, if the King Airs can operate out of shorter fields?

I'd think with the mentioned price range, the Piaggio Avante would have been a better compromise between jet and turboprop, considering the advertised altitude and speed performance advertised by them.

 

[NJA Capt]

You gonna stick 8 people and two pilots and some baggage in that CJ1/CJ2? Don't think so.

You can buy a pre owned (3-5 years old) B200 for $2 million less. How often does someone fly a B200 seats full? I have 8 seats in the Ce750 and the avg pax load is 1-4.

 

[Citationkid]

This guy is very picky about the aircaft he buys. My other friends, who are in an partnership with an MU2 where trying to talk him into going into a Citation II or a Conquest II, but this guy only wanted a brand new aircraft. I don't know why he picked the King Air, but the King Air is a great aircaft and there must be something better then a Citation about it or else they wouldn't be selling them. I might see him today so if I do I'll ask him.......

 

[Kingairrick]

Sat in the aircraft at NBAA, It is really cool. They were quoting 5.8 mil as equipped.

I agree it's insane money, but then again I just fly...

BTW a piaggio (sp?) is about 12 mil for a new one.

 

[uavchaser]

i know someone who tried insuring a piaggio, $70K/year. it's for sale now.

 

[Whirlwind]

Alex, how many times have i told you to stop posting private family information on the internet? If you keep it up, i will spank your butt!

Assuming for a minute you really are his dad, let me just offer this one point.

I highly doubt anyone here cares if you or your friend is buying a new King Air or not, or a new jet or not.

If so, great for him, tell him I'd love to come fly it.

But otherwise, we just don't care that much.

Fly Safe!

 

[Citationkid]

That's not my dad. My dad only flies a Citation 560 and no one in my family has ever flown a 500.

 

[English]

I guess I don't understand. A used CJ1 (with the Collins Pro Line 21), low time, can be had for 3.5 mil. Why the 5 mil for a King Air with the same avionics? I think even a CJ2 new is just over 5 mil...and the CJ2 is not nearly as range/capacity limited as the CJ1 or straight CJ. With the CJ2, you can take 7 passengers and luggage most missions 800NM, and on 4000 foot long strips (at sea level).

 

[Citationkid]

I thought the CJ2 only had 6 seats in the back. Besides we could take the King Air way more places then we can take the Citation now. The guy is stuck taking the Navajo to his two summer homes, or drive 1 hour from the closets ''big'' airport where the Citation goes. I didn't get to talk to the guy buying it today so I still don't know what his reasons where................

 

[English]

CJ2 has six seats in the back, but because it's a single pilot airplane one passenger can sit up front, in the right seat.

If the runway is at least 4000 feet long below 5000 foot elevation, the CJ2 EASILY gets in and out. If it's a wet runway, bump it up to a 5000 ft long runway.


Depending on the conditions, the CJ2 can get into and out of shorter runways than this.

 

[Flying Illini]

why the king air is better than a CJ1 or 2. You can load up a king air and top the tanks and go. It's a much better aircraft with more room than the CJ's. A king air will handle changes in runway and load conditions better than a CJ.
As far as the price goes...it's a steep price but if the guy can afford it, let him buy it! More power to him! A warbird isn't the most economical aircraft to own and fly but it sure is alot of fun...maybe that's why the king air was chosen.

 

[SierraPilot]

Average Operating Costs for King Air 300/350

Fuel (GPH): 110.00
Fuel Costs/Gallon: 1.79
Fuel Costs/Hour: 196.58
Oil Costs per Hour: 1.01
Maintenance Cost/Hour: 151.77
Hourly Engine Reserve: 90.45
Prop T/R Reserve: 10.05
Total Variable Costs/Hour: 449.86
Average Speed (MPH): 300.20
Cost/SM: 1.50
Annual Insurance: 20,022.46
Annual Hangar/Tiedown: 11,901.59
Training: 8,898.11
Total Fixed Costs: 40,822.16
Hours/Year: 257.79
Fixed Cost/Hour: 158.35
Total Variable & Fixed Costs/Year: 156,792.64
Total Costs/Hour: 608.22
Total Cost/SM: 2.03


Operating Costs for Citation I, 500

Fuel (GPH): 149.00
Fuel Costs/Gallon: 1.83
Fuel Costs/Hour: 273.50
Oil Costs per Hour: 1.00
Maintenance Cost/Hour: 193.63
Hourly Engine Reserve: 185.00
Prop T/R Reserve: 11.88
Total Variable Costs/Hour: 665.01
Average Speed (MPH): 340.00
Cost/SM: 1.96
Annual Insurance: 12,048.52
Annual Hangar/Tiedown: 17,071.63
Training: 11,822.37
Total Fixed Costs: 40,942.52
Hours/Year: 271.70
Fixed Cost/Hour: 151.03
Total Variable & Fixed Costs/Year: 221,595.71
Total Costs/Hour: 816.04
Total Cost/SM: 2.40

Operating Costs for Citation II, SII

Fuel (GPH): 155.00
Fuel Costs/Gallon: 1.84
Fuel Costs/Hour: 286.18
Oil Costs per Hour: 1.02
Maintenance Cost/Hour: 195.93
Hourly Engine Reserve: 100.00
Prop T/R Reserve: 12.00
Total Variable Costs/Hour: 595.13
Average Speed (MPH): 359.70
Cost/SM: 1.66
Annual Insurance: 17,717.44
Annual Hangar/Tiedown: 17,247.09
Training: 17,776.07
Total Fixed Costs: 52,740.60
Hours/Year: 345.61
Fixed Cost/Hour: 152.76
Total Variable & Fixed Costs/Year: 258,258.05
Total Costs/Hour: 747.93
Total Cost/SM: 2.08