Any one flown a turbine 210?

[Citationkid]

I was just wondering, what are the benifits of getting a turbine conversion on a P210? Always wondered what benefits you get out of it, thanks.

 

[Diesel]

having a ton of time in p210"s the turbine conversion is an easy sell. The mattituck red gold that we had in our p210 craped itself many times. Basically high altiude, low air density, a lot of accessories running of the engine, hot temps.

Also the time to climb to altitude takes forever and burns fuel unless you have a trunk tank.

but don't you fly a citation?

 

[Citationkid]

but don't you fly a citation?

I've flown in a citation a couple times, but I don't know any thing about them other then when you pull up the houses get smaller and if you pull up a lot they get bigger What your sayin does make sence, thanks. I'd love to try one of those Silver Eagles, they look like they climb like a bat out of hell.

 

[350DRIVER]

Where is Tab Express first officer at when you need him?


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[FN FAL]

I suppose turbine reliability would be the first issue. I don't know what they are getting for tbo on tubocharged 210 engines, but I think with extended tbo programs, they are getting like 8,000 hours on the turbine engies.

Plus, you have to add in any time to climb and cruise speed perfomance increases against tbo of the piston engine, cause every mile more you cover per hour comes off of the difference between the piston engine plane and the turbine engined plane.

IE: if you fly a lot, the fact that you climb at 1,500 ft per minute to 18,000 feet instead of 500 feet per minute, means that you get 66 percent more use out of your engine if it is the faster climbing one. If you can get 30 knots more at a higher altitude, you have to add that over the 8,000 hours tbo vs the 1,400 hour tbo at 30 knots slower. Over time, it all adds up to cost per mile, so expensive turbine engine may be cheaper and more reliable over time.

Also, if you are a private owner and you are operating over water, you are going to love the turbine plane over the piston, just because of reliability issues.

 

[NuGuy]

Hey there,

I believe that the turbine 210 conversion uses a Allison C20, a helicopter powerplant. This is the same engine in the Bell Jet Ranger. In the Ranger, this engine puts out around 450 SHP (if memory serves), and I'm sure they de-rate it for the 210.

The thing I seem to remember about these turbine conversions are the airspeed limitations. I remember something about how turbine aircraft have no "yellow arc" airspeed range, so when they convert 210s and Bonanzas to turbine, the top of the green becomes the new "red line".

The C20 is a wierd little engine. You could put the whole thing in a duffle bag. The intake and compressor section is in the front, then two "transfer tubes" run the air to the back of the engine to the burner can. Then the air proceeds forward to the turbine section in the middle of the engine. The exhaust is right in the middle. It's a free turbine, but there are no co-axial shafts like in a PT6.

Of course, the thing sucks gas like its $0.25/gal, so thats why you see tip tanks on the Bonanza mods.

Best,
Nu

 

[flyifrvfr]

Where is Tab Express first officer at when you need him?


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[avoidingmyboss]

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[uscpilot]

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[skyking1976]

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[singlespeed]

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[uscpilot]

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[flyifrvfr]

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Since I have a sick sense of humor,all of this talk about wood makes me think of a funny name for a gay bar."lumber Yard."Now that's sick

 

[340drvr]

One downside to the turbine conversion I seem to recall, aren't the converted 210's still limited to the original certified maximum ceiling (I forget the altitude), due to airframe limitations? I'm thinking FL200 or so, but I could be wrong. Anybody got more info?

 

[FN FAL]

I heard the airframes come apart at 21,000 because the air molocules are too far apart to keep the rivets from falling out. I could be wrong though.

 

[avoidingmyboss]

FN FAL,
Dude are you Hyde from That 70's show?

 

[low-n-slow]

but don't you fly a citation?

But I was under the impression this young teen flew a Navajo, Hmmmm.

 

[Citationkid]

But I was under the impression this young teen flew a Navajo, Hmmmm.

Company has 2 airplanes.....

 

[Citationkid]

One downside to the turbine conversion I seem to recall, aren't the converted 210's still limited to the original certified maximum ceiling (I forget the altitude), due to airframe limitations? I'm thinking FL200 or so, but I could be wrong. Anybody got more info?

I think the T210R's ceiling is around 29,000, that may be too high, but I'm not sure. I think the P210's is 25,000.

 

[FN FAL]

FN FAL,
Dude are you Hyde from That 70's show?

http://www.that70sshow.com/images/gallery/s4/s4_hyde.jpg

YEA, BRA! Put on some BOC and lets burn a bowl!!!