Any Known Upcoming G650 Operators? Where do I send my app????

[Jetdriver69]

If you want to stay around home so much, you probably shouldn't fly 6000 mile airplanes. Most of the time your pay depends on size and range, with few exceptions. Good thing some of these guys didn't fly heavies in the military when you were gone 175 days a year or more. Then you would have plenty to complain about. I get plenty of off time and plenty of vacation and I enjoy my trips. If you don't like travel then fly short range aircraft or better yet, manage them...

 

[johnsonrod]

If you want to stay around home so much, you probably shouldn't fly 6000 mile airplanes. Most of the time your pay depends on size and range, with few exceptions. Good thing some of these guys didn't fly heavies in the military when you were gone 175 days a year or more. Then you would have plenty to complain about. I get plenty of off time and plenty of vacation and I enjoy my trips. If you don't like travel then fly short range aircraft or better yet, manage them...

Agreed. I get so tired of hearing the older pilots "admonish" the younger pilots to not care about equipment and to focus on QOL. Of course QOL is important to everyone - so is money. We all want to maximize pay and time off. These "experienced" pilots love to tell others this even though they are currently flying 777s/747s or the big corporate iron that so many people want to fly - Globals, Falcon 7Xs and Gulfstreams. But don't give us that crap of "I don't care if I fly a Beechcraft Skipper as long as I am paid $150K per year and have 3 weeks off a month." That gets very old. Guess what, if you live in California, New York or New Jersey, that $150K you earn on the Global puts you in the lower Middle Class after tax (9.8% state tax in California) unless your spouse works.

If you want to become a professional pilot (as your sole job), don't expect to make much money. Period. Not everyone can fly 777s at Fedex or fly G650s. If you don't go the military route, you will likely add big debt in training costs. The point is flying is not a great profession for anyone wanting to make big bucks. Just don't expect it. If you want big bucks and you are a pilot, you need to marry well or play the lotto often... And if you want significant time with your family, don't take a job that requires you to be away from home 6 months per year (regular airline schedules) or a job that operates anything bigger than a single-engine piston - those Globals and Gulfstreams will keep you from your families in most (but not all) cases.

If you don't like that low pay and significant time away from home, I guess you should look into desk jobs... And quit the condescending old timer crap. Nobody should expect anything great in terms of money or time off in aviation - if you get great time off you are very lucky. If you are really jaded, get the flight department VP desk job and manage others who enjoy aviation and want to see the world...

 

[gern_blanston]

Not everyone can fly 777s at Fedex or fly G650s.

Why would you say that? You are incorrect. Anyone who wants can indeed fly a 777 or a '650. You just have to work your ass off for a long time, and be smart, maybe even a little crafty. You hear a lot of guys talk about how lucky they have been in their aviation careers. Hell, I'm one of those guys myself, but the harder I've worked, the luckier I've been. Of all the career paths out there, this is the one that allows you to take yourself as far as you want to go.
Sure, there's some suffering along the way (don't ask me how many hours I have in the right seat of a '152 for 20 bucks an hour) but nothing good happens without a lot of work.

Nobody should expect anything great in terms of money or time off in aviation - if you get great time off you are very lucky.

Get out of the business, 'rod. It's obviously not for you. There are plenty of us that make good money and have plenty of time off. You are incorrect in your hypothesis. I was perfectly happy flying the boss's BeechJet for cryin' out loud, with good pay and good time off. Same now with the 7X. It really is about QOL. You young guys might not believe that, but trust me, it's true.

 

[TMMT]

I enjoy my job, pays well and I have a good amount of time off... so, I work another job!

 

[Gulfstream 200]

If you want to become a professional pilot (as your sole job), don't expect to make much money. Period. Not everyone can fly 777s at Fedex or fly G650s. If you don't go the military route, you will likely add big debt in training costs. The point is flying is not a great profession for anyone wanting to make big bucks. Just don't expect it. If you want big bucks and you are a pilot, you need to marry well or play the lotto often... And if you want significant time with your family, don't take a job that requires you to be away from home 6 months per year (regular airline schedules) or a job that operates anything bigger than a single-engine piston - those Globals and Gulfstreams will keep you from your families in most (but not all) cases.

Well, not quite.

Most of my peers/friends who fly Gulfstreams/Globals/7X etc make between 150-225K. No...not rich by any stretch...but getting by just fine. Some newer guys may get abused at 125K'ish but they usually move on pretty quick...like any profession, there's an experience building phase.

Most also work between 8-14 days a month. Want some extra money? plenty of time for another job. Many I know contract fly or work at sim centers for an extra 10-50K. Since leaving CFI/Charter work I have never had a flying job where I regularly worked more than 15 days a month and for the last 3-4 years I average less than 70 nights away. The vast majority of larger corp aircraft I know are crewed well. I'm home with my family more than just about any father I know (aviation or not)

And Yes, anyone who wants to can certainly fly a 777 or a Gxxx (or whatever) Its not rocket science. Average commitment, defined career goals, dedication etc...fly what you want!

I wouldn't suspect pay/lifestyle is terrific in an EMB-145, but it may suit you just fine? To each his own...but I can tell you that your view of the typical Gulfstream/Global/7X gig is far from accurate!

 

[AA717driver]

G200--Would you get all that $hit out of your profile already? It f's up the formatting.

TC

 

[Gulfstream 200]

G200--Would you get all that $hit out of your profile already? It f's up the formatting.

TC

My ratings and Industry titles are pretty important to me.

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Airline Pilot Crybaby Section, that way -------->

 

[johnsonrod]

Well, not quite.

Most of my peers/friends who fly Gulfstreams/Globals/7X etc make between 150-225K. No...not rich by any stretch...but getting by just fine. Some newer guys may get abused at 125K'ish but they usually move on pretty quick...like any profession, there's an experience building phase.

Most also work between 8-14 days a month. Want some extra money? plenty of time for another job. Many I know contract fly or work at sim centers for an extra 10-50K. Since leaving CFI/Charter work I have never had a flying job where I regularly worked more than 15 days a month and for the last 3-4 years I average less than 70 nights away. The vast majority of larger corp aircraft I know are crewed well. I'm home with my family more than just about any father I know (aviation or not)

And Yes, anyone who wants to can certainly fly a 777 or a Gxxx (or whatever) Its not rocket science. Average commitment, defined career goals, dedication etc...fly what you want!

I wouldn't suspect pay/lifestyle is terrific in an EMB-145, but it may suit you just fine? To each his own...but I can tell you that your view of the typical Gulfstream/Global/7X gig is far from accurate!

Not every Gulfstream/Falcon/Global pilot pulls in your cash. Good for you! And no, people might aspire to flying for a 777 for Fedex one day, but we all know getting on with Fedex or a Fortune 100 flight department full of the latest bizjets is super-highly competitive. Maybe flying Airforce One would help move your resume to the front of the pile with your great recommendations. You can be a fantastically talented pilot (i.e, Chuck Yeager) with great experience and not get an interview with thousands of resumes on file. You can network forever and the Chief Pilot's nephew gets the job. No big surprise - this is reality and not news.

I am just tired of the condecending tone I sometimes hear on these boards. Not everyone wants to focus solely on QOL - that typically happens after you have achieved your goals. For some people, those goals are getting harder and harder to achieve. Example: a newhire today at SWA will wait 20+ years to upgrade to the left seat of a 737. That's ridiculous compared to expectations when I started training many years ago - and I won't be applying any time soon. We are all entitled to our opinions and most of us are trying to either advance ourselves or trying to enjoy what is left of our careers.

 

[GLEXPilot]

Rod, almost all the global guys and gulfstream guys pull in more than 150 a year. I make more money than most of my doctor friends and work about 8 days a month. Your perception about the industry seems a bit skewed.
True I am older than you I am sure, and as you ate you will also find that it is all about the QOL. You will see that your EMB flies just the same as a global or a 777, if you really did this purely for the love of flying you would find a job flyig a J3 which is real flying.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Not every Gulfstream/Falcon/Global pilot pulls in your cash. Good for you! And no, people might aspire to flying for a 777 for Fedex one day, but we all know getting on with Fedex or a Fortune 100 flight department full of the latest bizjets is super-highly competitive. Maybe flying Airforce One would help move your resume to the front of the pile with your great recommendations. You can be a fantastically talented pilot (i.e, Chuck Yeager) with great experience and not get an interview with thousands of resumes on file. You can network forever and the Chief Pilot's nephew gets the job. No big surprise - this is reality and not news.

I am just tired of the condecending tone I sometimes hear on these boards. Not everyone wants to focus solely on QOL - that typically happens after you have achieved your goals. For some people, those goals are getting harder and harder to achieve. Example: a newhire today at SWA will wait 20+ years to upgrade to the left seat of a 737. That's ridiculous compared to expectations when I started training many years ago - and I won't be applying any time soon. We are all entitled to our opinions and most of us are trying to either advance ourselves or trying to enjoy what is left of our careers.

No, actually the vast majority do make that pay range.

Also, much of the Fortune 100 isn't as competitive as you may think, and often pays on the low end (but may appeal to some for other reasons)....and don't even get me going on the talent from the 89th. LOL.

I actually agree with you on the second paragraph....are you saying there are some real D-bags in aviation? You can't be that new? LOL....yes, we all love the G850 Captain who constantly says his dream job is flying a King Air yet breaks down in tears when his OEM hat/shirt/jacket/bag gets some dirt on it.

The vast majority that I know just want to work at a place that treats them well, pays as good as it can for this industry, and allows lots of time off.

 

[gern_blanston]

Rod, no offense, but if you're in this business for the money, you ain't firin' on all cylinders. It's ALL about QOL. If you want to make a bunch of money, you should plan on working 350 days a year either at your own business or at some high-paying job. Gulfstream200 hit the nail on the head: What we want is good pay, good folks to work for, good QOL, and if we're lucky, we'll even get decent people to fly with

...we all love the G850 Captain who constantly says his dream job is flying a King Air yet breaks down in tears when his OEM hat/shirt/jacket/bag gets some dirt on it.

That's funny right there, G-Man. Damned funny.

 

[Sandhawk]

Also, much of the Fortune 100 isn't as competitive as you may think, and often pays on the low end (but may appeal to some for other reasons)....and don't even get me going on the talent from the 89th. LOL.

Are you referring to the Best of the Best of the Best, SIR ???

 

[K.V.]

Are you referring to the Best of the Best of the Best, SIR ???

With honors!


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