Any AWA pilots thinkind bout the 190?

[Crzipilot]

Ahhh....and they prob. still don't care. but, actually alot of these problems could have been spelt out. It simply is, once again, a poorly worded, laid out, alpo contract. Have yet to see one that isn't full of grey areas and such.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Amen...


PHXFLYR

 

[ALGFLYR]

It will be very interesting if you get credit time for MDA.....as then it could be argued that it was an illegal recall. I.E. Many more APL'rs would have gone to MDA, if there was an understanding of it gaining longevity, etc etc. Meanwhile those at other J4J carriers will not get any time credited, as it stands now.

I think this will become clearer when the lawsuit is finally settled. Both sides have arguments with merit. How it will eventually pan out, is still a little unclear...

 

[Crzipilot]

Well real simple, if you get credit for time at MDA...the rest of us shall recieve credit simply for the furlough time, as then it's proven that MDA was a recall to ML, which it wasn't advertised as such, and would have changed the minds of many, including myself.

 

[FR8mastr]

That comes from that fact that many of some of the CEL folks think that because they worked at MDA longer than the furloughed guys worked at MAINLINE that they have longer time on property. I've even herd sone Alg and PDT guys saying that their time at the WO's should now count. Don't believe me, Call some of the CEL guys. I have.

I'm not picking a fight, just telling you what I have heard from some of these folks.

I think someone is pulling your leg, No one thinks this! We are all junior to you. Take a look at the list. There is no way that we can jump seniority or longevity over you. If the ex CEL guys get longevity for our service on the 170, and that is a big IF, we are still junior to you. Somebody is trying to stir the pot on this one. If you dont believe any of us, just contact any of the APlers that were on the 170, they will certainly vouge for our integrity and intent on this kind of issue

 

[ALGFLYR]

Well real simple, if you get credit for time at MDA...the rest of us shall recieve credit simply for the furlough time, as then it's proven that MDA was a recall to ML, which it wasn't advertised as such, and would have changed the minds of many, including myself.

You might like to think it's that simple, but the true simplicity is that unless your name is on the seniority list and your an active pilot on the property you will not get any credit. You had the opportunity to go to MDA. You knew that would result in your name being added to the ML seniority list, yet you chose not to go. It's not our fault things happened the way they did.

 

[BeCareful!]

You might like to think it's that simple, but the true simplicity is that unless your name is on the seniority list and your an active pilot on the property you will not get any credit. You had the opportunity to go to MDA. You knew that would result in your name being added to the ML seniority list, yet you chose not to go. It's not our fault things happened the way they did.

ALG,

He's already on the ML seniority list, way above you. It's a matter of longevity. If you guys get it, then so should we because some of us would have gone to MDA if we'd known it was actually mainline. There's also the issue of seat lock; we were locked in at PSA but there were different rules governing recall to "mainline" than there were "MDA." Then, after the fact, we find out there really is no MDA. How fair is that?

As CRZi said, the whole thing is so poorly written there's almost no deciphering it now. The reps responsible for this mess should be embarrassed at the least, and best case would resign citing obvious incompetence as a reason for sparing the working line pilots from any more of their "representation."

 

[ALGFLYR]

ALG,

He's already on the ML seniority list, way above you. It's a matter of longevity. If you guys get it, then so should we because some of us would have gone to MDA if we'd known it was actually mainline.

My bad. Crzipilot, I thought you were a CEL pilot talking about getting on the ML list. I didn't realize you were an APL pilot. Now, re-reading your post, I understand what you are saying. Sorry.

I agree, had it been known that by going to MDA would be going back to ML, many more would have went. If we do end up getting credit for "time-served" at MDA, I think you have a valid argument for getting that credit since the company didn't call MDA a recall. This is becoming as screwed up as the whole J4J program. Hopefully the outcome will be good for everone...