Anti PFT - You're all whores!

[aview1]

Look Mr B.,

Even though you and I strongly disagree about this PFT issue, I am sure you are an intelligent person. I went to college on the East Coast, the school I graduated from has an extremely well known law school, as well as pre-med/med.

My comments about doctors and lawyers being whores was in tongue and cheek.

Back to the subject, I do not know any interns from my college that have EVER made anywhere near the figures you quoted. Infact most interns I knew made 14 dollars per hour. The gia people that I know made 11. Pretty d.amn close, and NOWHERE near 30/40 K.

If anybody wants to know about the crap doctors go through to make the "line", do a little homework. They are in the same pay range when they intern.

I have the utmost respect for doctors, I cannot say the same for lawyers. I have worked with them for years.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: Exception taken

That's completely untrue.

It may be untrue about lawyers, Bobby, but it's certainly true about doctors. My ex-girlfriend's father was a M.D. He told me many stories about how he had to stretch dollars to the breaking point when he was just getting started. (At one point he discovered that beer was cheaper than milk and was not too dissimilar nutritionally...made for some interesting breakfasts. )

 

[350DRIVER]

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Originally posted by aview1
Both Doctors and lawyers usually have to intern at gulfstream wages, "probationary" pilot wages. (the 250 hr. program people) before they are granted full authority for the job that is given.

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GET REAL....


I guess it would truly take ignorance in it's best form to attempt trying to sell this Bu!!Sh!t. The whores who "bought" a job are always going to try or attempt to justify what they did so the post really does not surprise me.

If anybody wants to know about the crap doctors go through to make the "line", do a liitle homework. They are in the same range when they intern.

I have some good friends who are currently in practice at the Cleveland Clinic and I can tell you first hand that you are way off. Comparing a Gulfstream whore to a doctor, just when I thought I have seen it all.


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[aview1]

Who said anything about comparing the two in any other means other than pay. You are incorrect about intern wages though, AS I WAS ONE ONCE IN D.C. before I was sent over seas with the MIL. But I will let you stay on your high hoarse, because you are a superior pilot to all.

Anybody who disagrees with a persons path to the cockpit is well within their rights. To bash them morally as human beings just makes you an as*hole.

I served my country in a cockpit, have you all mighty one.

 

[350DRIVER]

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The "more likely" figures are much higher.

"Intern pay" as you have stated is incorrect and does not reflect the compensation that is recieved.

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[Typhoon1244]

Comparing a Gulfstream whore to a doctor...

Agreed. There's no comparison.

My point was that the first-year wages are not dissimilar!

 

[bobbysamd]

Interns

Back to the subject, I do not know any interns from my college that have EVER made anywhere near the figures you quoted. Infact most interns I knew made 14 dollars per hour

Then what do you mean by "interns"? Law clerks? If that's what you mean, then you are correct. But if you read carefully what I wrote above, I was referring to new associate attorneys, i.e. not law clerks. Some do command the salary I wrote. Here again, I know what I'm talking about, from my own experience and that of my wife, who was a law librarian for twenty-eight years in a law school and with two lawfirms, one of which is paying the starting salary I wrote.

Your assessment of my intelligence level is appreciated. Your generalization of the legal profession is regretted.

 

[A Squared]

There never would have been another paid pilot. If the program did not exist, gia would be single pilot ops.

Really? No kidding? Single pilot passenger carrying ops under Part 121?

Huh ! I guess there truly is no limit to the self delusion you folks will indulge in to rationalize your paying for a seat.

 

[350DRIVER]

Huh ! I guess there truly is no limit to the self delusion you folks will indulge in to rationalize your paying for a seat.

These folks who "whored" out and bought a seat will stop at nothing when trying to justify the action. The sad thing is that they are being laughed at and not respected by most within the industry. Fortunately most can look in the mirror every morning and be thankful of the route that we took to get to where we are present day.

Anybody who disagrees with a persons path to the cockpit is well within their rights. To bash them morally as human beings just makes you an as*hole.

Anyone who has to be a whore to get a job is also an a$$hole. Nothing like "buying" your way into a 1900.

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[shroomwell]

Aview1, I am confused. If you served your country in the cockpit than how come you had to go to gulfjoke to get a RJ job, you should have already been more than qualified based on your military flight training.

Also doctors get paid to be interns, while not alot they get paid. They are not paying for training like whores at gulfstream.

 

[aview1]

I myself have not yet started my training at gia. gia was recomended to me by ex-army helo pilots who are now at chq, and pncl. i will be one of two ex military guys going through class at gia.

i would very much like you and you civilian cessna buddies to call myself and like, whores to our faces. we will see who gets slapped with a back hand.

p.s. gulfstream is adverstised on some mil bases.

 

[350DRIVER]

i would very much like you and you civilian cessna buddies to call myself and like, whores to our faces.

I don't think too many of us would have a problem doing that since in reality you are a whore.

what a joke.

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[aview1]

Hide behind the internet big 350.

You are a worthless coward.

 

[A Squared]

i would very much like you and you civilian cessna buddies to call myself and like, whores to our faces. we will see who gets slapped with a back hand.

OOOOKkkkaayy, so, we've gotten to the "I'll kick your ass" stage. So, in addition to integtity deficiencies, you also have maturity deficiencies .... how nice.

p.s. gulfstream is adverstised on some mil bases.

Ummm, all that does is provide an unfavorable commentary on the integrity of military aviators. Personally, I tend to hold military aviators in higher regard, but the fact that Gulfstream sees the military as a source of potential seat renters suggests that my opinion might be inflated. Fortunately, it will take more than you and gulfstream to diminish my respect for deserving military fliers.

 

[350DRIVER]

aview1,

I am honored by the "mature" words of a soon to be Whore but I will stay away from a pi$$ing and shouting match with you. It is funny to read about the stupidity that you have bought into but I guess since you are soon to add the word whore to your name it does not surprise me. You shall soon be a laughing stock of the industry so I guess that is punishment in itself. You will have to let us all know just how fun it is to be b!tch slapped day in and day out when you are playing with the gear and radios in the right seat of the 1900 that you will soon be flying on. Gosh, I am sure you will fee proud.

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[bart]

The bottom line to this whole debate is that as long as there are people out there willing to pay, there will be people willing to take their money. PERIOD.

From the numbers of people willing to pay today, I would argue that PFT will never go away. You can debate the merits of it and the character of those who engage in it forever, but it will change nothing.

Those determined to do it, will do it. I personally do not agree with it, but if I ran a company and I had people willing to pay me to work there, it would be very tempting to take their money. I would bet that it would be just as easy to find a good, qualified FO willing to pay $10K as it would be to find a good, qualified FO, which is why the airlines are doing it.

 

[Sc00ter]

i would very much like you and you civilian cessna buddies to call myself and like, whores to our faces. we will see who gets slapped with a back hand.

Oooh. Now there is Captain material.

scoot

 

[46Driver]

Aview1, I am confused. If you served your country in the cockpit than how come you had to go to gulfjoke to get a RJ job, you should have already been more than qualified based on your military flight training.

Also doctors get paid to be interns, while not alot they get paid. They are not paying for training like whores at gulfstream.

The answer probably is that he is a military helo pilot. Many airlines don't count helo time and thus these pilots are considered "unqualified" despite having 3000 hours of turbine time and were forced to PFT while kids with a 1000 hours in a Cessna didn't. It depends on how you define qualified.

The other aspect is that military training, unlike civilian training, is brutally competitive in every aspect: from OCS to promotions to graduating flight school and selecting which platform you fly. Most military guys will look at PFT as simply paying the price for success.

 

[shroomwell]

There's alot of helo jobs out there too, look into those you won't have to PFT.

 

[1.3XVso]

Anyone who has to be a whore to get a job is also an a$$hole. Nothing like "buying" your way into a 1900.

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Dude comon relax..... Mind your bussiness and worry about yourself and thats it. Talking about being a professional and what not dude your acting like a piece of SH*T. If you think its not fair well hey life is not fair correct? People are gona continue on going on that route so be it stop acting like a little BEEEEEEEEAAAAAAACHHHHHH.

 

[100LL... Again!]

The problem is not that the piots paid for training.

The problem is that anyone who is so geared to fast results without building up real experience is probably a more marginal pilot than someone who earns their job the hard way.

PFT'ers are wanna-be's Trainees masquerading as airline pilots.

More power to them, if they don't mind being like this, but it is sad that they let their thirst for status and rapid advancement thrust them into a position that they are only marginally qualified for.

Just like wearin' your dad's shoes around the house pretending to be "all growed up."

 

[CFI'er]

The one's against PFT are the same one's that turn down the low pay position in the first place. The furloughed pilots would rather stay home and wait for that call back to the line. The whole system of seniority and union control needs an overhaul. If the union participation starts at the Flight Instructor level, you would see higher pay at the regional level and national and major airline's. It is supply and demand in pure form. The regional's supply low flight tickets and pay diddly squat to the crew as a result. It is a win-win for both passengers and the regional's.

 

[bobbysamd]

P-F-T

The one's against PFT are the same one's that turn down the low pay position in the first place.

Not here. First-year regional pay in 1990 wasn't that much less than it is today. If hired, I would have jumped for joy. I would have taken the job and made it work, somehow, til year two.

 

[737 Pylt]

Jetho your an idiot! However, I do like your militant attitude. I think eveyone agrees regional airline wages are by far unexceptable, and that PFT is the route of all evil.

Before calling someone an idiot, learn how to spell, that way your debate looks better.
For instance, try: Jethro, you're an idiot.
and
I think everyone agrees regional airline wages are by far unacceptable ,..........

 

[FN FAL]

While I was driving home last night, I was thinking of all the guys I knew that got divorced after about their 3rd year of being in aviation. Some were sooner than three years and of course some were later, but the common thread was when it seemed that the woman wasn't going to be led down a path of poor living conditions and bad quality of life, when she had her own career to think about and the tangible fruits that provides...or maybe she found a guy with a real job.

But anyway, some dumb khunt was sitting behind me on a recent airline flight and she was telling her female seatmate about how her fiancee was going to flight school (und erau, who cares). She was babbling about how he was going to graduate and go right to work for the regionals because of a "bridge program" and how he was going to get his ATP, which is the "doctorate" of aviation and blue skys and brainwash and on and on.

I just sat there and read my magazine, 'cause I didn't want to interupt her conversation with her friend, but also because I was out of business cards from my lawyer friend that specializes in divorce cases.

Lots of dreamers in aviation, I say let them eat cake. You can tell em all you want about PFT, stressfull living conditions, wages, and how many are going to fall by the wayside long before they see a major airline job much less a regional airline job, the divorce rate, and on and on, but they will still be standing in line to be 100,000 dollar in debt lemmings.

 

[bart]

Here is an ad:

Join the thriving aviation industry today and make millions. You can be the one to sell the dream of flight to hundreds of gullible pilot-trainees. We all know there is a coming pilot shortage, you can cash in now by seperating those that want to fly for the airlines from their hard earned cash.

Here is how you do it:

1) Continually and dramatically announce the "coming pilot shortage"

2) Put a bunch of airline logos in your ad and talk about your special bridge programs.

3) Work out deals with third rate regional airlines to get them free labor in exchange for putting your customers in their airplanes.

This is one way I have seen consistently make money in the aviation industry. I personally could not sleep at night doing this. Sadly, there are plenty out there who do, and plenty of people willing to pay the money.

I don't see it changing any time soon. Sad to say.