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[Flying Illini]

Maybe if Clinton hadn't been so d*mn lazy in office he would have taken care of the problems in the middle east. Instead he let them go and here comes the next pres (bush or otherwise) and they are thrown into one of the worst situations EVER due to the terrorist attacks. He can stand idly by and wait and watch, or take action. Seems to me that when 9/11 happened everyone was demanding action. Now that people have forgotten about (or blocked) 9/11 people are wondering why we are "harrassing" iraq. It's b/c there are several people over in the middle east who are many times worse than and poor American leader. Most Americans don't realize just how bad life has become in recent years for the average citizen there...maybe that's b/c they don't WANT to know how bad it is.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Maybe if Clinton hadn't been so d*mn lazy in office he would have taken care of the problems in the middle east.

True, but let's be fair. We haven't had a President who knew how to handle the Middle East. We're lucky nobody got shot down by any of the weapons Ronnie and George sold to Saddam.

 

[canadflyau]

In addition to his professed fondness for paying taxes, Clinton said he wanted to be audited annually. "I think they ought to audit me and everyone in my income group every year, because if I make a mistake, I actually think they can make some real money out of me, and I want to pay what I owe," he declared.

As he reads this, Jesse Jackson starts to "raise up"

 

[ifly4food]

I'd like to know why Clinton was impeached for lying about having sex with an intern, yet no one is calling to impeach Bush for lying about Saddam's WMD and starting a war that killed thousands of Iraqi civillians needlessly.

Maybe it's because they fear being locked up in Gitmo for the rest of thier lives. After all, according to Bush, "Either you're with us or against us".

Only two more years of this madness.

 

[ksu_aviator]

I'd like to know why Clinton was impeached for lying about having sex with an intern, yet no one is calling to impeach Bush for lying about Saddam's WMD and starting a war that killed thousands of Iraqi civillians needlessly.

Dude, are you way off base. Clinton was impeached for lying to a grand jury which is considered a high crime. High crimes are impeachable. President Bush took out a country that was given many chances to prove it innocence and didn't. Now they are starting to find components that would make it possible for them to build nuclear weapons. President Bush said those things would be found and behold they are being found. BTW, I would doubt that even hundreds of Iraqi civillians where killed. The military went out of its way to prevent any needless loss of life, including risking our own troops lives to insure that goal was met. I'm sorry, but your post has to be the most ignorant and hate filled post yet. You have no facts to back up what you say, you simply say what you said out of hatred. It won't matter if we find a nuke with "Die Americans" painted on it sitting in one of Saddam's Presidential Palaces, you'll still think President Bush is lying. Why don't you bleeding heart, pinko commie liberal fags stop smoking dope so you can sobber up long enough to realize just what is going on. People out there hate us, and they are using any means possible to attack us. Saddam allowed terrorists to train in his country (we have found numerous camps) and even paid families of suicide bombers a reward for their son or daughter's actions. Saddam has killed thousand of his own people as a test of his weapons capability. He pursued nuclear weapons technology. For crying out loud, face with all this you still believe Saddam was innocent and Bush is guilty? You, and others like you, are totally hopeless. You are the perfect example of why our public school system needs to be revamped. Any body that can claim something so stupid surely did not receive the education they should have.

Also for those of you that thought Clinton created jobs, let's just remember that the late 90's economy didn't really exist. We had several companies lying about profits that went unchecked and a huge bubble in the tech sector that had to burst sooner or later. Right now we are starting new, real growth. If you can't find a job its probably because you aren't qualified or don't meet the companies needs. I realize the 90's made most of us think all you had to do to get a job was apply, but that isn't true now. You also have to interview and do very well. If you work at it you will find a job, and a good one. If you don't, it is your own fault.

 

[Tim47SIP]

Are you for real?

I'd like to know why Clinton was impeached for lying about having sex with an intern, yet no one is calling to impeach Bush for lying about Saddam's WMD and starting a war that killed thousands of Iraqi civillians needlessly.

You know, normally I agree with you, but this comment I hope does not represent your intilectual capabilities. I guess you have determined that Bush alone came up with this devious plan to "wag the Dog" all by himself. Then brief all of our intelligence people that infact Saddam did have WMD contrary to what they thought, and wala! He got a war. He even lied to Blair and convinced him and all of the other countries involved.

When Clinton stated the same things in 98, did you dought him? What about the U.N.? Although Clinton lied about most everything becasue that is just the way he has always done business, I personally believed him concerning Iraq because even I know that he alone cant come up with that so called lie. I am not saying our intelligence systems at the time was the best around becasue after 8 years of the Dems, our complete system has beed degraded to unbelievably low and unsafe levels. We are just now getting it rebuilt. Without undercover agents in the field (which Clinton cut funds for), this type of real information was very difficult at best to retrieve. With the previous administrations, the UN, other countries, and our own iintelligence information, the decision was made.

Oh ya! Could you please provide the data about the "thousands of Iraqi civillians" that were killed needlessly? This was the big liberal chant prior to the war so I am surprised that you are still reciting it since it never came true. But you did know that, didn't you? Or were you really talking about the hundreds of thousand Iraqi civillians that Saddam himself had killed? Maybe that is what you ment to say.
Quit watching all of those movies, they are fiction!

Sorry, KSU beat me to it!

 

[Singlecoil]

What he is referring to is the Associated Press' tally of civilian casualties in Iraq. Carefully totaled, they excluded any counts that could possibly also include military casualties. They came up with 3,240 civilians at a minimum.MSNBC link.

 

[ifly4food]

Dude, are you way off base. Clinton was impeached for lying to a grand jury which is considered a high crime. High crimes are impeachable. President Bush took out a country that was given many chances to prove it innocence and didn't.

Isn't the American way still "Innocent until proven guilty"?

Now they are starting to find components that would make it possible for them to build nuclear weapons. President Bush said those things would be found and behold they are being found.

Or they were planted there.

BTW, I would doubt that even hundreds of Iraqi civillians where killed. The military went out of its way to prevent any needless loss of life, including risking our own troops lives to insure that goal was met. I'm sorry, but your post has to be the most ignorant and hate filled post yet. You have no facts to back up what you say, you simply say what you said out of hatred.

And I suppose you have facts to back up your theory of how many Iraqis were killed?

It won't matter if we find a nuke with "Die Americans" painted on it sitting in one of Saddam's Presidential Palaces, you'll still think President Bush is lying. Why don't you bleeding heart, pinko commie liberal fags stop smoking dope so you can sobber up long enough to realize just what is going on.

Pinko, commie, liberal whats? And you think I'm filled with hatred?
Whoa!

People out there hate us, and they are using any means possible to attack us.

Why do you think that might be? Maybe because we unilaterally impose our will upon the region at whim? Osama himself said he hates us for "trespassing on the holy land". Oh, great solution, let's send more troops there and bomb the hell out of the place. That'll make them stop hating us.

Saddam allowed terrorists to train in his country (we have found numerous camps) and even paid families of suicide bombers a reward for their son or daughter's actions. Saddam has killed thousand of his own people as a test of his weapons capability. He pursued nuclear weapons technology. For crying out loud, face with all this you still believe Saddam was innocent and Bush is guilty?

I never said Saddam was innocent. I only said bush lied about the WMD to justify this war.

You, and others like you, are totally hopeless. You are the perfect example of why our public school system needs to be revamped. Any body that can claim something so stupid surely did not receive the education they should have.

Judging by your reading comprehension skills and your extensive vocabulary, you only attended the finest schools yourself.

Also for those of you that thought Clinton created jobs, let's just remember that the late 90's economy didn't really exist. We had several companies lying about profits that went unchecked and a huge bubble in the tech sector that had to burst sooner or later. Right now we are starting new, real growth. If you can't find a job its probably because you aren't qualified or don't meet the companies needs. I realize the 90's made most of us think all you had to do to get a job was apply, but that isn't true now. You also have to interview and do very well. If you work at it you will find a job, and a good one. If you don't, it is your own fault.

My, my, you do have some issues. Where did this little anti-clinton diatribe come from? I never said Clinton was a saint, he's not. I'm questioning the double standard that is protecting Bush.

 

[ifly4food]

Tim,

I don't doubt that Bush had a small role in the campaign of misinformation which led to this so-called war. However, Bush is the President. The CEO if you will. Just like any American corporation, the CEO holds the final responsibility. Ask the Enron execs.
This is why I hold Bush responsible.

As for the proof, follow SingleCoil's link.
I'm not making this stuff up, and it did indeed come true.

 

[ShawnC]

You know if it were a fabrication you would think that we would just put a few bottles of anthrax there wouldn't we?

Why would be plant obscure things like a centrifuge?

 

[ifly4food]

I can't answer that but to speculate.

My speculation is that a bottle of Anthrax would be a much more obvious fabrication whan some obscure equipment. If you're going to fabiricate something, don't make it an obvious fabrication.

 

[SquirrelDog]

All liberal BS!

I suppose the whole 9/11 thing was staged by are government too.

It is a fact that the economy if affected from 4 to 8 years after the president was in office...i.e. CLINTON

W. on the other hand is making the turn around faster than I have ever seen for the U.S.

Yes, this is partially due to the WAR but history shows that a war turns economy's around, Bush must have been reading. Not to mention we have these middle east country's with terroist destroying our skylines.

And for the guy on here who said Bush isn't going about handling the middle east, as terroists go, WHO THE HELL KNOWS how to handle them, its a new threat we have to LEARN to deal with. New as in this century.

The U.S. must first place troops on All our borders and once secure get the D$MN 13 million illegals out of this free loading society. Pay taxes or get out. I'm tired of paying for your 10 kids.
And if Pueto Rico isn't going to become state 51 and pay taxes like everyone else then lets stop supporting them, PLEASE!

For good reading try, "The terrible truth about Liberals" by Neil Boorts.

Squirreldog
if your not with us, then your not!

 

[Snakum]

Why don't you bleeding heart, pinko commie liberal fags stop smoking dope so you can sobber up long enough to realize just what is going on.

Nothing like open, intelligent dialog, eh?



Allow me to stoop to your level ...

I'm afraid if I sobered up I'd kill myself when I realized what your mother actually looks like the morning after.

Now ....

Are we any closer to open and intelligent dialog?

You guys are wasting your time, but 350 ... I do admire your guts. I gave up trying to carry on a rational conversation with our Republican brothers a long time ago. It's all just ranting and raving.

Besides ... as I said earlier ... both parties are equally corrupt and should be run out of town.



Minh

 

[KickSave]

Re: All liberal BS!

I suppose the whole 9/11 thing was staged by are government too.

It is a fact that the economy if affected from 4 to 8 years after the president was in office...i.e. CLINTON

W. on the other hand is making the turn around faster than I have ever seen for the U.S.

Yes, this is partially due to the WAR but history shows that a war turns economy's around, Bush must have been reading. Not to mention we have these middle east country's with terroist destroying our skylines.

Are you completely stoned? The economy isn't effected by things a president did 4 to 8 years ago any more than it's effected by future events which cannot be predicted. The economy under Clinton was the best in a century, and you want to say it's because of Reagan? Or Bush? Puhleaze! It was because of A) the Technology explosion and B) a balanced budget. A was not due to any president, but to the natural course of events, and B was CERTAINLY not due to ANY Repulican politican in this century (or the last). Raise spending, lower taxes, yeah, that's how we'll balance the budget, err, I mean get votes! It's irresponsible as heck, and Clinton was the first president in 12 years to do something about it... unless you consider saying "Read my lips" a positive step. The economy isn't directly effected by the president, but consumer confidence and therefore SPENDING plays a huge part, and under Clinton both were at very high levels. Consumer confidence started to erode right around the time WBush was jumping ahead in the polls, and the economy has slumped ever since. What epic turnaround are you seeing that is so much faster than any in recent history? That's the most ridiculous statement I've seen in this thread, and there have been some doosies! The economy is STILL in the toilet, and Bush's trickle down economics won't balance the budget, or stimulate the econmy ANY more than it did for Reagan or his daddy.


As for Clinton, yeah, he might have been a sex maniac, but he was no more dishonest than any other president since Carter, and he actually tried to pay for the things his government spent it's money on, unlike either Bush. And finally, those who blame Clinton for 9/11, can write Osama a letter and ask him what made him hate the USA so darn much... he'll tell you, it was when the infidels parked their army in the holy land, in 1990. That's when Al quaida was born.

Right now I simply can't imagine the hatred and destruction that we are due for in 10 more years as a result of our marginally justified invasion of Iraq. We've just given birth to the seed of 100 more Osama's who we don't even have on our radar screens yet. Our intelligence, and the supposed war on Terror, will absolutely NEVER stay ahead of people who want to kill themselves to make a point to us. ugh!

 

[SquirrelDog]

You have got to be kidding me if you believe that hunk of SH$T.

Talk to almost any economist and they will tell you the economy lags several years behind the administration it came from. This is taught everywhere, I mean come on!

Clinton to this country is like fleas to a dog. What a great guy, great role model for our young and the rest of the world to look at. Scum bag and a half. The guy is just sleezy and the only person worse is that skanky wife of his. Hmmm, cheats around all the time but she won't dump him, great values.

I can't believe you liberals call yourself pilots.
I can't believe you pilots call yourself liberals.

Don't get mad, I have friends with the above credentials.
But come on, we fly thousand pound machines that pour out millions of gallans of dead dinosaurs a year. You know gas and oil. One of the worst polluters out there.

having fun
Squirreldog

 

[prodigal]

crow

All you doubters talk as though we've searched every square inch of Iraq and found nothing. We've only begun the search and so far probably only looked in the most obvious places. Do you have any idea how easy it would be to hide this stuff? Do you think the Iraqis hid it in the "obvious" places?
When it's finally found, and it will be, there'll be a lot of crow served up on this here board. But I seriously doubt that any of the naysayers will be man enough to stand up and take the hit.

 

[JJay]

What I can't get past is, if Saddam did have WMD, why didn't he use them against our troops? He had nothing to lose. He knew we were trying to kill him and he knew he would be defeated. Why not try to do as much damage as possible? I can't come up with a logical explanation.

 

[prodigal]

Saddam may be mad in a way but he's not completely stupid. He knew quite well he could not stand up to our military. Therefore his strategy appears to have been to hide the WMD (posssibly in Syria-and he had a long time to do so) so as to garner more world support when we have trouble finding them, go underground and wage guerrilla resistance and try to make this another Vietnam for America. Then (he reckons) when we are forced to pull out due to war fatigue and anti-war sentiment here at home (thank you democrats), he'll come out of his hole and reclaim leadership. Actually makes a lot of sense from his perspective.

Here's a thougt . . . maybe Saddam hid the WMDs in France???

 

[prodigal]

To all you libs, dems and Clinton sycophants who believe Bush is lying about WMD, it has just occured to me that you think this way not just because you may have a different political view. You were conditioned by Bill Clinton for 8 years, consciously or subconsciously, to believe that almost everything that came out of the President's mouth was a lie, just like Pavlov's dogs. It's no wonder that you are so cynical when your own guy let you down so much.
As someone who came of age (way) before Clinton and actually know what the meaning of "is" is, I would challenge you to do some serious introspection about your motives and reasons for your vehemence.
In my opinion we now have a very moral and courageous President who has the courage to actually take meaningful action to protect America, not just lob a few cruise missiles into an aspirin factory and pay lip service to security. And by the way, protecting America from her enemies is Job #1, NOT social security, NOT education, NOT creating jobs. However important those other things may be, they are still secondary to homeland security. These enemies don't just mean to aggravate us, they mean to destroy America. If we don't defeat them the rest is meaningless.
And lest you think I am a Bush sycophant, I am not. The libertarian in me detests how the President is growing the federal government, education dept., and yes, even some aspects of the Homeland Security Dept. disturb me.
But we have already forgotten 9/11 and forgotten (or never realized) that this is really WAR. Long before 9/11 I had long conversations with my elders about what it must have been like to be alive during Pearl Harbor and WWII when we were in a fight for our very existence. The enemy then meant to destroy American. Wake up folks. Our enemy now doesn't use traditional military tactics, but they no less mean to destroy us. This is a fight for our survival.
So I sincerely challenge you doubters to examine your own motives and reasons for your vehemence against Bush. Good people of differing viewpoints can disagree on principle. But at least be intellectually honest and argue from hard fact and reason. We're all in this together as Americans.

 

[ilinipilot]

"Right now I simply can't imagine the hatred and destruction that we are due for in 10 more years as a result of our marginally justified invasion of Iraq. We've just given birth to the seed of 100 more Osama's who we don't even have on our radar screens yet. Our intelligence, and the supposed war on Terror, will absolutely NEVER stay ahead of people who want to kill themselves to make a point to us. ugh!"

Excellently put, this is why 9-11 happened in the first place. There are thousands of opinions on the war in IRAQ, BUSH, Clinton etc. BUT the underlying fact is that the US is not well perceived by the rest of the world, especially muslims. Until we do something about changing our perception we will fail.

I think the war in itself was justified but we went about it the wrong way. We need to start being a smaller player and let other countres take the lead becuase then the heat gets off of us. The titles on newspapers in the Muslim world is all about the US led invasion. Imagine our world wide perception if the war is led a muslin country with US assistance like Saudi Arabia for example.

Its my opinoin that, that would improve our world wide perception,

D