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whymeworry?

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Avoid Citgo. I have always avoided their retail outlets since learning they were a Venzuelan company. Why spend money on a government who hates us?

Here's yet another example why we ought to boycott Citgo and send a message to Chaves:

Hugo Chavez Threatens U.S. on OilTuesday, February 07, 2006

CARACAS, Venezuela — Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has stepped up threats to sell off his nation's oil refineries in the United States, but some oil experts argue a quick break with the key U.S. market would hurt Venezuela.
Tensions between the U.S. and Venezuela escalated with the expulsion last week of a U.S. Embassy official accused of spying. In return, Washington expelled a Venezuelan official.
Chavez threatened over the weekend to sell off all of Venezuela-owned Citgo Petroleum Corp.'s refineries and divert U.S. oil exports to other countries.
"I could easily order the closing of the refineries that we have in the United States," Chavez said Saturday in a speech to supporters. "I could easily sell the oil that we sell to the United States to other countries in the world ... (to) real friends and allies like China, India or Europe."
Chavez's threat comes amid jitters about a disruption in world oil supplies: Iran, OPEC's second-largest producer, has been referred to the U.N. Security Council over its nuclear intentions, while Nigeria has been wracked by violence.
"The United States doesn't face many alternatives at this moment" and could face a hike in oil prices if forced to find replacements for Venezuelan imports, said Carlos Rossi, an economic adviser to the Venezuelan Hydrocarbons Association.

But Rossi and other experts said the bigger loser likely would be Venezuela.
The South American country says it exports about half of its official production of 3.2 million barrels per day to the United States — much of that refined by Houston-based Citgo and sold through its 15,000 retail gas stations.
Finding alternatives to Citgo's refineries — specially designed to refine Venezuela's heavy, highly sulfurous crude — would be difficult, critics say.
"If they sell these refineries, there are no other refineries in the world able to process Venezuelan crude, not in sufficient capacity," said Jose Toro Hardy, a Chavez critic and former director of the state oil company, Petroleos de Venezuela SA, or PDVSA.

PDVSA has domestic refineries and smaller operations in Europe, the U.S. Virgin Islands and Curacao, but they don't have the capacity to take on Citgo's share.
"You need refineries to sell oil," Rossi said. "The U.S. would feel the impact, but Venezuela would feel it much more."

Citgo paid $785 million in dividends to PDVSA in 2005 — revenues that Chavez's government stands to lose if it sells.

Geography also works against Chavez's threat of making a clean break with the U.S. market: an oil tanker leaving Venezuela can get to Citgo's Gulf Coast refineries in five days compared to about 30 days to travel to China.
The United States remains Venezuela's No. 1 buyer of oil. It relied on Venezuela for 10 percent of its oil imports in November, the latest month for which U.S. figures are available.
 
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So who do you buy from. Saudi, Iran, Iraq? We drink a lot more than the US is cranking out. I would rather give the money to hugo then bin Laden... I know most of you don't read the NY times... Nice article in there about oil money going to the insurgency. So whymeworry is it America you hate or just freedom in general.
 
Crash Pad said:
So who do you buy from. Saudi, Iran, Iraq? We drink a lot more than the US is cranking out. I would rather give the money to hugo then bin Laden... I know most of you don't read the NY times... Nice article in there about oil money going to the insurgency. So whymeworry is it America you hate or just freedom in general.

What the "F" are you talking about? Maybe you should spend some of that "crashpad" time educating yourself on the internet about Bin Laden and Saudi oil.

1) We don't buy oil from Iran.
2) Bin Laden has nothing to do with Saudi oil. He has been trying to "overthrow" the royal family there since '92.
3) Iraq oil? Kind of like buying it from ourselves seeing as how we created that mess there and are indirectly responsible for helping their govenment to power.
4) NY times? Come on, the most imcompetent journalists on the planet next to Arab controlled media and the LA times.
5) America I hate? Where did I imply that? Love this country, that's why I'm here.

Do yourself a favor, go try living overseas for a while. Get an education about what is happening in the world from actually being there rather than from the NY times. Believe me, the NY and LA times have no clue.


I buy my gas from US companies...hopefully with US produced crude but then one can never tell where it comes from. I hate big oil just as much as the next guy whether it's a US company or not. But if I'm gonna' have to buy gas(and the last I checked there is still no available alternative), I'm sure as heck not going to give my hard-earned coin to a foreign state or foreign company. Why should I?

45% of US crude consumption is still harvested here in the USA... or so I've read.
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whymeworry? said:
I buy my gas from US companies...hopefully with US produced crude but then one can never tell where it comes from. I hate big oil just as much as the next guy whether it's a US company or not. But if I'm gonna' have to buy gas(and the last I checked there is still no availabel alternative), I'm sure as heck not going to give my hard-earned coin to a foreign state or foreign company. Why should I?
Yes, but the plane you fly has foreign fuel in it, which means the wages you earned while flying it are tainted...you'll feel better about yourself if you let me take of that tainted money for you.
 
We fix this whole thing by putting a $3.00/gallon on auto and truck fuel. Consumption would drop like a rock, sales of 40 Mpg cars would skyrocket, and all the politicians who voted for this measure to save the country would be voted out of office.
 
FN FAL,

The source(crude) might be imported, but the Jet A here is of our making. At least if you filler up here in the US.
 
whymeworry? said:
Avoid Citgo. I have always avoided their retail outlets since learning they were a Venzuelan company. Why spend money on a government who hates us?


You must be clear when you post about these issues. It is a known fact that Chavez is NOT an anti-american leader. He is an anti-Bush leader. It is clear that the white house spin this information to their favor, but perhaps you should ask the poor neighborhood folks in MA when Chavez provided them with super cheap heating oil for their homes earlier this winter.

Also shortly after Katrina, the white house by their own admission said they asked every petroleum company in the US to donate a small portion of their large profits to help offset the impact caused by oil products shortage. The result was that CITGO was the ONLY company to do so.

I'm not a Chavez fan by a long shot, but I also don't drink the WH kool aid either.
 
SWA GUY said:
FN FAL,

The source(crude) might be imported, but the Jet A here is of our making. At least if you filler up here in the US.
Can I still have the tainted money? :nuts:
 
Might want to do some independent research into Chavez and the reforms he has made in VZ. The GW "banana wars" spin is full on regarding Chavez mostly because he is anti big corporation.
 
whymeworry? said:
1) We don't buy oil from Iran.
2) Bin Laden has nothing to do with Saudi oil. He has been trying to "overthrow" the royal family there since '92.
3) Iraq oil? Kind of like buying it from ourselves seeing as how we created that mess there and are indirectly responsible for helping their govenment to power.
4) NY times? Come on, the most imcompetent journalists on the planet next to Arab controlled media and the LA times.
5) America I hate? Where did I imply that? Love this country, that's why I'm here.

So where do you think Bin Laden's money comes from? Maybe the other middle eastern cash crop? I don't think governments give him money but I'm sure his funders get there money in one way or another from oil.

So we aren't tied into Iranian oil huh. So we should be able to bomb there nuclear facilities. I think the only thing holding us back from bombing if I recall is something. It could be our love for there regime. It could be because we don't do preemptive strikes. It could be that we think they're bluffing... or it could be because they put out 4 million barrels a day. Give me a better reason and I'll buy it.

Iraq oil is just like buying from ourselves. Yeah it is. Burried in the US budget was the astonishing 1.7 trillion dollars from Iraqi Oil. Yeah buddy we are laughing all the way to the bank in Iraq. Making nothing but money out of that sand.

NYTimes so slanted the words fall off the page. I get my news from FOX which in study after study has been proved to be as reliable as flightinfo.com.

I know you love the country... Heck you problobly have a support our troops sticker on the back of your Hummer... Honestly I don't know what more you could do. I'm just saying as long as you buy gas from someone other than Hugo you are most likely pumping money into the middle east. Once that money hits the middle east it may go to a grocery bill at best or an insurgent at worst. So by buying gas you fuel the most anti US section of the world. So my question again is. Is it the US you hate or just Democracy in general.
 
So where do you think Bin Laden's money comes from? Maybe the other middle eastern cash crop? I don't think governments give him money but I'm sure his funders get there money in one way or another from oil.
Bin Ladens money may have initially come from oil as it was given to him by his family but now most of it comes from the Opium trade...so yes, I guess it does come from the OTHER middle eastern cash crop.

If Bin Laden was smart, he'd knock out a bunch of Saudi oil fields, ports and refinarys. That would completely destroy our economy. But like most psychos, it's simply not violent enough.
 
According to the New York Times which I know has never printed anything of truth Iraq oil money is being filtered to isurgents. It's an ongoing investigation but I myself was wondering how the insurgency keeps going without money.
While OBL does get money from Opium I'm pretty confident oil money makes its way to him also. Even if it is Opium sold to a refinery worker... The money is still from oil. The only thing that makes substantial money in that region is oil.
 

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