Another SVFR question -

[minitour]

K...thanks. I was just making sure I didn't misunderstand the regs...

I figured it'd be easier to call on the phone to make sure he wasn't expecting any conflicts...aparently not

 

[Lead Sled]

...I was just making sure I didn't misunderstand the regs...

Mini...
Why not just file IFR and request multiple contact approaches?

'Sled

 

[minitour]

Mini...
Why not just file IFR and request multiple contact approaches?

'Sled

Inop Turn Coordinator & HSI (the DG part...the Nav function works great)

oh well...it cleared up and we got to go anyway...

-mini

 

[qmaster3]

Mini,

If you call the tower and talk to the chief. Let us know WHY. My low time self is trying to avoid a$$ chewings like that.

 

[minitour]

ya...I dunno.

Normally, I'd let an ass ripping just roll off my back, but this is the same guy that bitched at me on freq for calling up Ground and using AIM recommended language...supposedly in our Ops Specs at school there's a "correct" way to call up ground...the FAR/AIM doesn't count with him I guess

oh well

-mini

 

[Lead Sled]

Pilots aren't the only folks who fall into the "non-standard" phraseology traps. Back when I was the east-coast chief pilot for the company that I worked for I was cleared for the approach at one of the airports we frequented. We were in a Lear 35 and from our position, it was appropriate to perform a procedure turn - which we did. Half-way through the turn, the controller asked us what we were doing. He mentioned that regardless of where we were at, they didn't want anyone doing the PT and that we should only perform it if given express clearance to do so. When I got on the ground I called the supervisor and basically reamed him - in a very polite and respectful way. They also has a few other "non-standard" quirks which we discussed at well. At first his defense was that "we don't do things that way around here". My response was - "Well, I'm not from around here". We kissed and made up and they started using standard phraseology.

'Sled

 

[HMR]

Mini- Are you sure he wasn't mad because it was the umpteenth time you'd called the tower this week with questions, i.e. Gallons of paint used to paint runway numbers? Circumference of the tower? Blade height on the airport lawnmower? And other things that you and your roommate discuss.

 

[minitour]

Mini- Are you sure he wasn't mad because it was the umpteenth time you'd called the tower this week with questions, i.e. Gallons of paint used to paint runway numbers? Circumference of the tower? Blade height on the airport lawnmower? And other things that you and your roommate discuss.

har har har

 

[JAFI]

Mini, As was explained to me by a tower QC person, Controllers do not make mistakes, they are called "operational errors". When a controller makes one big enough, they are taken off the line and put back into training untill the "error" is corrected. There was some incentive to stay on line, something about the difference in pay in training and working a position in the tower. Maybe an ATC guy can explain this better than me.


JAFI

 

[minitour]

Mini, As was explained to me by a tower QC person, Controllers do not make mistakes, they are called "operational errors". When a controller makes one big enough, they are taken off the line and put back into training untill the "error" is corrected. There was some incentive to stay on line, something about the difference in pay in training and working a position in the tower. Maybe an ATC guy can explain this better than me.


JAFI

I don't get it...