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Another question about logging time

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How do you guys log time when there are three or more pilots on board, as in a transoceanic flight? Do you only log that time you´re actually sitting at the controls?
 

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How do you guys log time when there are three or more pilots on board, as in a transoceanic flight? Do you only log that time you´re actually sitting at the controls?

As captain, I always logged all the time as PIC, even when I was sleeping in the bunk. I think the F/O's logged all their time as co-pilot (SIC). Some may have logged PIC when they were the flying F/O.
 

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As captain, I always logged all the time as PIC, even when I was sleeping in the bunk. I think the F/O's logged all their time as co-pilot (SIC). Some may have logged PIC when they were the flying F/O.

That's the quick way to get to 22,000 hrs :smash:
 

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During long flights (augmented or double crew, etc), I've logged only the time I spend in the seat. If I'm not operating, I don't log it.
 

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During long flights (augmented or double crew, etc), I've logged only the time I spend in the seat. If I'm not operating, I don't log it.

AVBUG: Do you agree that the Captain, if he has signed the release for the entire 16-hour leg, can and should log all the flight time, even on an augmented crew with three F/O's, and even if sleeping in the bunk for several hours of that leg?
 

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We didn't fly with three FO's. If it was augmented as a "heavy crew,", it was one FO and two captains, with two FE's. A double crew gave the luxury of an extra FO.

Whomever signed the release for the 1st leg or legs and flies the legs, logs the time. Whomever sits second chair and flies the next logs that.

What individuals choose to log, I don't know. I'm not impressed with logging time from a bunk. However, the FAA's position, as shown in the regulation, is that the pilot in command of an aircraft having more than one crewmember may log all the time spent acting as PIC...without regard to whether the PIC is sleeping. Certainly one may legally continue to log the time if it's one captain and several FO's.

I don't. If I'm not operating, I'm not logging.
 

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AVBUG: Thanks for your reply. Your comments are always appreciated.
 

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In the Navy I would log Aircraft Commander the entire time the aircraft was in flight, but only log pilot time when I was in the seat.
 

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Three Pilot crews-Flight time

This is what the FARs say for supplemental (cargo guys usually). Flag and domestic carriers are close to this.

§ 121.507 Flight time limitations: Three pilot crews: airplanes.

(a) No certificate holder conducting supplemental operations may schedule a pilot—
(1) For flight deck duty in an airplane that has a crew of three pilots for more than eight hours in any 24 consecutive hours; or
(2) To be aloft in an airplane that has a crew of three pilot for more than 12 hours in any 24 consecutive hours.
(b) No pilot of an airplane that has a crew of three pilots may be on duty for more than 18 hours in any 24 consecutive hours.
 
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