Another one bites the dust...

[learflyer]

on your six.......your retired from the millitary right?

Yep, he probably is. I love those guys who just do this for fun or beer money, or as a "hobby". 16 days away from home is fun? Well, your bringing down the salaries of those of us who HAVE to do this.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

16 days away from home is fun? Well, your bringing down the salaries of those of us who HAVE to do this.

 

[Grizz]

Hey,

I'm retired military. The difference is that I don't figure my retirement money into what I should be making at another job. My retirement is money I earned but didn't get paid during those 20 years. NetJets should still pay me a professional salary regardless of my retirement from Uncle Sam's flying club.

 

[dime line]

Griz

I'm glad to hear that.your retirement check dosen't distort your civillian thoughts of paychecks. Congrats on your retirement. I'm just sick of hearing retired guys say "the pay is just fine" "I'm glad Martha is paying my paycheck" "you make enough", that last one was from a retired Col. who brags about his 2nd beach house.

Mean while my co captain has a wife and a kid and makes less than our large cabin flight attendants, which if i'm mistaken don't even go to flight attendant school.

 

[JimNtexas]

Hey,

I'm retired military. The difference is that I don't figure my retirement money into what I should be making at another job. My retirement is money I earned but didn't get paid during those 20 years. NetJets should still pay me a professional salary regardless of my retirement from Uncle Sam's flying club.

ABSO-BLANKING-LUTLY!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Dep676]

No, just the "How can I feel sorry for myself as a pilot with all the real problems happing in the world right now" party. NO ONE is saying what you are insinuating, and if you had READ my posts, rather than just make assumptions out of your narcissitic, entitled, conclusion jumping manner, you would have seen what the point is. YES, by all means, go for the gold...try to increase your pay...but LOSE the highly unattractive entitlement mentality, and the life of MISERY that you are allowing yourself to lead. If you cannot POSSIBLY find any reason to carry yourself in a better way, because the misery is so consuming...then it is time to LEAVE your company (and/or the industry), and do something meaningful with your lives. This message board reminds me a of crew room full of pilots...so miserable, and it INFECTS the WHOLE industry. Can you work for better pay without being so RADICALLY unhappy? RADICAL unhappiness warrants a change...you are NOT "stuck" where you are, and if it was TRULY as imminently "doom and gloom" as you are making it to be, I have to question your sanity as to why you are still there.
Take a sabbatical, get to Phuket and HELP some people TRULY in need, and get a reality check on this life of yours.

Sir put down the Kool-Aid and step away. I do not recall anywhere in this thread me posting how bad it is at my current company. Also for your knowledge. I am looking at getting out of the dead end company this thread was originally started about.

Why do you think it is so bad to try and improve things while we are still here? Do you even work at any of the fractionals? If so you must have an IV with a Kool-Aid drip. Your way of thinking is what is keeping any of the fractionals of improving pay or QOL for the pilots. In case you missed the part of my post and others that there are families still qualifing for government aid that work at these fractionals. Have you seen what the owners are paying to fly around in these aircraft? The millions they are paying are sure not going in the pilots pockets.

 

[Dep676]

Dep676, better check your black berry. Things are changing in CGF. Next is domicile. Hope the XP type is worth something where you are.

I know just the message this morning. Also why do you think I got my type in the XP????????????? I didn't say things were rosy either. I had a motive for going to the XP long before I went to it. Matter of fact buying resume paper and stamps today.

 

[On Your Six]

All I've gotta say is thank God you're not part of our voting block.

I know lots of pilots at NetJets that aren't necessarily looking for "the big bucks." What they are looking for is a salary commensurate with the profession they are in. They fly the world's richest people in corporate jets and expect to be paid a professional salary.

Folks like yourself drive this industry into the crap heap. "Hey, I'm flying a pretty new jet and staying in a decent hotel...who needs any pay for this?" If you weren't so pathetic you'd almost be funny.

Ooooh no, there goes Grizz with his holier-than-thou attitude... I never said that fractional pilots shouldn't pursue a pay raise... Everyone deserves pay increases and to be paid "what they're worth." Warren Buffet has a ton of money and the Netjets guys deserve a big raise - no argument there. I merely suggested that people who are looking to enter the fractional business should enter with their eyes open - the schedule and pay are most likely sub-par when compared with some airline jobs. People who are interested in working for a fractional should be aware of the big pay differences - hopefully the gap will start to close sooner than later.

I was also attempting to point out that not every fractional pilot views pay as the primary determinent of their happiness - aircraft types, schedule and route variety matter to some pilots more than others. Of course pay rates need to increase - especially the starting pay which is abysmal... I never stated otherwise. Let me guess, you are a glass half-empty kinda guy and a lot of fun to fly with...

 

[Driver]

I dont come to this board (or any board) very often... because they're all the same... Someone starts with a good question or coment.. then the helpful replys (some with knowledge some without)... next comes the comlaining and finally the gloves come off. Gilligan's Island wasn't that predictable.

I'm off and up out.

 

[Fracster]

I'm off and up out.

Straight from the Delta wav file. Funniest dang thing I ever heard.

 

[Frac Daddy]

Dep676, better check your black berry. Things are changing in CGF. Next is domicile. Hope the XP type is worth something where you are.

I have heard the Tier 3 airports are about to go bye-bye. What have you heard?

 

[G100driver]

Boy, I almost went to the fracs and after talking to friends at you know who... plus these boards, I am very grateful to be in a cushy G200 corporate gig.. even with it's own flaws. But the pay is better, no PFT, execllent maintenance; and most of the time I am on call, I am on call sitting on a beach in Florida. The fracs management are nothing more than wanna-be airline execs. And we know just how magnificent airline execs are.

Just remember when you are sitting on the beach it is still work, ulness that is where you live. I am sitting in HI right now. I just make sure that when ever the owner tells me how great it is to be a pilot in Hawaii that I just laugh say, "it beats Teterboro, but I do not see the diference, work is work."

If they respect you they will understand. These guys also travel for a living.

 

[bafanguy]

Just remember when you are sitting on the beach it is still work, ulness that is where you live. I am sitting in HI right now. I just make sure that when ever the owner tells me how great it is to be a pilot in Hawaii that I just laugh say, "it beats Teterboro, but I do not see the diference, work is work."

G100,

Bingo !! You've hit the nail on the head. You are doing what it takes to remain on your employer's payroll. If that involves being on a beach, that isn't your problem...it's not a management decision you made...you signed on to do what what was asked of you, and apparently, that is just what you are doing. If the groundpounders have a problem with that, it would be their problem...not yours.

 

[beechjetpilot1]

I bet some of the tier 2 airports will go bye-bye also.

 

[ditch]

I dont come to this board (or any board) very often... because they're all the same... Someone starts with a good question or coment.. then the helpful replys (some with knowledge some without)... next comes the comlaining and finally the gloves come off. Gilligan's Island wasn't that predictable.

I'm off and up out.

word to your mother

cheers