Another Holding Out Question

[jergar999]

I have a good stable job, but flights are getting fewer and further between and my schedule allows me 8-12 days each month. I know of several operators in my area that use similar or smaller aircraft and was wondering if sending them a letter offering part time or contract services would be considered holding out. I have a list of these companies, and am considering writing a letter that explains my schedule, qualifications, and offers part time services should one of their normal flight crew take a vacation, or they just need a pilot for a day or two. I would offer only part time, careful not to step on the toes of the full timers. Just wondering if me initiating contact could be construed as holding out, and wondering if anyone has any opinions on the idea in general, or what the letter should include.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, but letting potential employers who have airplanes know that you are available for employment as a pilot is not the kind "holding out" that is a violation of the FAR.

 

[Pee_nuss]

I believe the Holding out the FAA is concerned about is when you post flyers around town offering flights to anyone, or whatnot.

When you become a Taxi service basically, or a scheduled air service is when you should be afraid.

Being employed is not holding out. Renting an aircraft and charging a rate to fly from Boston to New York is.

You could always call the FSDO as well if your still worried.

Nuss

 

[DrewBlows]

jergar999,
This is definately not "holding out." If you owned your own airplane and went to this company and offered your services it would be, and would be acting as a commercial opperator, as well as a commercial pilot. Remember your commercial certificate allows you to work for a commercial operater (among other things), but to become a commercial operator requires an entirely different certificate.

 

[bobbysamd]

Holding out

How can it be holding out? You're just letting people know that you are available. If you had an airplane and spread the word that you can fly people and things to places, that would be holding out.

Hopefully, some of the folks here who are working on their Commercial will see this thread. The "holding out" question is a sure bet for the oral.

 

[DrewBlows]

If I am reading this correctly jergar999 is simply going to inquire with this company for a part time job. If that were holding out every one of us who has sent a resume to or filled out an application for a flying job would be in trouble with the FAA.

 

[The Man]

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[JimNtexas]

...
Check it out at www.Aviation-Press.com

You can view dozens of excerpt pages for FREE.

To bad I can't buy it since the page isn't compatable with my Mozilla Firebird browser. He should drop the flash crap, an he should get his book on Amazon.

Edited to add: OK, I got to the pdf pages, and I have to say the guy is wrong in chapter 9 ( http://www.aviation-press.com/images/chapter9.pdf ) in that he has the irrational fear of the word "emergency" in the U.S. or "Mayday" in non-english speaking countries.

In his example, his Falcon catches fire after takeoff and he doesn't want to say the 'e-word'. He's dumb.

And if he's in that Falcon in another country, he is downright stupid if he uses any word other than "Mayday" or "Pan" to indicate that he needs priority handling. These are the ICAO standard words, and the ATC controller litterally does not have to understand "emergency" or "priority" at all.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Edited to add: OK, I got to the pdf pages, and I have to say the guy is wrong in chapter 9

Hey! The Man said

The answer to this question and virtually any other aviation related question

He didn't say they were good answers.

 

[The Man]

RE: JimNtexas & Midlifeflyer

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