Another ASA F/O bites the dust

[AMANSWORLD]

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[Tarzan]

"ASA provides headsets to pilots???"

The A/C (CRJ's) are supposed to carry 3 David Clark headsets, if one is missing you're actually supposed to call maintenance & they'll bring out any missing ones.
This actually answers my question as to who keeps taking them out of the A/C! I always wondered where the missing ones went

CR7 FO? I've come across multiple planes missing them. I'd always wondered as well why there was one missing. If ALPA gets this guys his job back, I'll be sure to deluge Pratter's office with letter's asking why ALPA would defend a thief.

 

[Axel]

I always make sure there are three when I am doing the acceptance check. If there are not three I'm on the phone to MX right then and there. That way I don't get accused of stealing.

 

[Skaff]

"ASA provides headsets to pilots???"

The A/C (CRJ's) are supposed to carry 3 David Clark headsets, if one is missing you're actually supposed to call maintenance & they'll bring out any missing ones.
This actually answers my question as to who keeps taking them out of the A/C! I always wondered where the missing ones went

Do you guys use the headsets or do you use your own?

 

[scarlet]

Speedtape why are you still here?

And yes Expressjet is hiring, Pinnacle is hiring, Eagel still hiring...

 

[ohplease!]

If ALPA gets this guys his job back, I'll be sure to deluge Pratter's office with letter's asking why ALPA would defend a thief.

The same reason they defend the drunks, the delinquents and the piss poor pilots that can't fly....so when YOU ask "what am I getting for my 2%" they can say "look what we did for these folks"

 

[~~~^~~~]

The same reason they defend the drunks, the delinquents and the piss poor pilots that can't fly....so when YOU ask "what am I getting for my 2%" they can say "look what we did for these folks"

It sounds like ALPA is getting tagged with the misperception that they "defend" intentional malfeasance. In the very few cases that I have heard about (ALPA keeps good secrets, as they should, but sometimes the pilots talk) ALPA has negotiated "graceful exits" so the pilot can at least gain other employment elsewhere. Fired is fired, but "quit" allows a person to go get a job (likely a non flying job) where a PRIA report will not find them.

ALPA is concerned about safety too. ALPA works with the FAA to enance safety. I think the Runway Incursion Information & Awareness program was an excellent example of the way things are supposed to work to make our flying a safer operation for our passengers, we pilots and our employers.

...and then there are the cases where airlines just make up a load of crap to tag a pilot with an incident. Lets discuss that because it happens in this business at every airline.

There are two Certificates that allow your aircraft to fly. Yours and your Company's. If an incident gets investigated by the FAA the Company will never admit it was their fault and take the penalty on the Company's Certificate. The Company will find a way to pin it on the pilot - and most of the time the pilot was the person who had final authority over the operation.

It is no mistake that the responsibilities of the VP of Flight Operations is about one short paragraph long, while the responsibilities of the Pilot in Command go on for 40, or more, pages.

ALPA can provide some useful help because they have good prior experience dealing with these messes, while most pilots have never been in trouble before and will never get in trouble again. When (or if) you get in trouble, it is a benefit to be able to talk to someone who has experience with how the whole thing works.

 

[sweptback]

It sounds like ALPA is getting tagged with the misperception that they "defend" intentional malfeasance. In the very few cases that I have heard about (ALPA keeps good secrets, as they should, but sometimes the pilots talk) ALPA has negotiated "graceful exits" so the pilot can at least gain other employment elsewhere. Fired is fired, but "quit" allows a person to go get a job (likely a non flying job) where a PRIA report will not find them.

Also, the majority of cases that involve ALPA are because the company does not follow their own procedures (and that of the contract) when they discipline or terminate somebody.

It may or may not change the outcome, but everybody is owed at least a fair shake at things. Especially given that the rumor of what happened and what really happened are two different things.

 

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Also, the majority of cases that involve ALPA are because the company does not follow their own procedures (and that of the contract) when they discipline or terminate somebody.

It may or may not change the outcome, but everybody is owed at least a fair shake at things. Especially given that the rumor of what happened and what really happened are two different things.

Very true. Excellent post.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I always make sure there are three when I am doing the acceptance check. If there are not three I'm on the phone to MX right then and there. That way I don't get accused of stealing.

I have noticed one missing on several occasions and thought the exact same thing, but didn't call. I will start calling MX from now on. I sure don't want to get tagged for that!!

That's why I was wondering how they caught him. My name is probably on at least 3-4 aircraft logs that were missing headsets this month alone.

My question is why hasn't MX been Branding "property of ASA" on every headset?

 

[Tarzan]

My question is why hasn't MX been Branding "property of ASA" on every headset?

All the new ones have it branded on them. I think this guy came off the 700. We've had a bunch of new headsets with "Property of ASA" emblazoned in red on the side of them.

 

[DrewBlows]

Do guys use the A/C headset? I'm not crazy about using a whore headset, myself.

It seems it would be cheaper for a company to require it's pilots carry headsets and keep a few spares for emergencies rather than equip and maintain the entire fleet with three headsets apiece. Of course every airplane I've ever jump-seated on had at least one spare headset for the jump-seater. Hmmmm... maybe that's why I'm always sick after jump-seating.

 

[Windsor]

What do you need headsets for in those fancy Barbie jets? Just do like the freight dogs do. Throw in some earplugs, blast the radio over the speaker at full volume and yell across the cockpit to your compadre. If you need to speak to atc, use the handmike.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

The same reason they defend the drunks, the delinquents and the piss poor pilots that can't fly...

Don't forget azzholes like you either!

PUTZ!

 

[Blucher]

All the new ones have it branded on them. I think this guy came off the 700. We've had a bunch of new headsets with "Property of ASA" emblazoned in red on the side of them.

Perhaps, but my sources say he was a 200 guy, also a former intern at the GO. If true, I would try to build up a defense that my moral compass was completely jacked up after interning at that den of immorality. You know, the old "I learned it by watching you!" defense.

-Blucher

 

[Richard Gozinya]

my moral compass was completely jacked up after interning at that den of immorality. You know, the old "I learned it by watching you!" defense.

-Blucher

There you go, our next Sr. Vice President for Ethics at ASA. BL will have a memo out next week with the announce of the promotion.

Dick

 

[BoeingBaller]

unless he was still on probation, I'll jbet $10 alpa gets him his job back....and I don't think staright up thieves should be here.

Your working for the straight up thief!!!Whats the difference.

 

[ohplease!]

Your working for the straight up thief!!!Whats the difference.

you may have a point. Getting screwed from both ends and not even getting a kiss first.

 

[701EV]

Postal Inspectors caught him and informed ASA what was going on. He also had a buddy at Skywest doing the same thing, he is also gone.

I don't belive ALPA will do anything for this individual.

701EV

 

[Flip]

Was the headset purchased by Skywest or Mesa?