An interesting MESA Comment . . .

[Nancy Pryor]

Another high school dropout regional pilot?

You can't even spell "sad" and you think you should be paid more? Get an education first.

I congradulate Southwest on this move.

DirkkDiggler can't even spell "congratulate".:laugh:

 

[ERJFO]

Sorry, but I disagree.

You can blame the pilots all you want, but it is the nature of the beast that will not change, and probably that you participated in. There will always be pilots interested in upward mobility. You can call it SJS all you want, but if you want to leave your regional and go to a major, well, that is SJS too.

The solution lies not in blaming individual pilots for trying to get ahead. The solution lies in pilot groups taking a stand and improving their work environment. Its called a union. Its called ALPA.

And before your tell me about your frustations with ALPA, remember they made this a respectable job with high pay to begin with. What they are currently doing at your airline is up to you and your pilot group's involvement.

Good luck with your misplaced blame that will fix nothing.

How is it SJS to go from a regional to a major where you will make more cash as a 2nd year FO than you did as CA at a regional.

ALPA cannot change the quality of work at Mesa or TSA or any other bottom feeder, individual pilots making up that pilot group must want to change and as long as they take jobs at those companies they hurting themselves... Blame is hardly misplaced.

 

[Lone Star]

Deregulation equals competition. That's what I hear anyways. Damn I thought airlines were exempt from competition. They don't exist in the business world I guess. Has anyone on these boards been to college and taken a business class???

 

[uncle]

n25na,

Bravo!!! I couldn't have said it any better.

 

[Nancy Pryor]

Aim at base of flames, not at the smoke

ALPA cannot change the quality of work at Mesa or TSA or any other bottom feeder,

Wrong. You're confusing cannot with does not.

individual pilots making up that pilot group must want to change

You don't think individual pilots in those pilot groups want things to be different?

and as long as they take jobs at those companies they hurting themselves...

Well if it's just themselves they're hurting what are you complaining about? It's easier to blame Mesa pilots than to blame ALPA or Mesa management, is that it? Reminds me of the archetypical junior high school bullying where the fat kids got made fun of... go on putting others down if it makes you feel better about yourself.

Blame is hardly misplaced.

Classic group think if ever I heard it. Everyone else is saying Mesa pilots suck so why not join in and be part of the righteous gang. Look, since falling pay and reduced QOL is taking place at every regional airline, wouldn't it be more productive to stand by your fellow pilots, especially those whose working conditions are worse than yours, instead of taking up arms against them? How is your negative, blaming approach going to improve things for either them or for you?

Mesa pilots need your support, not your hatred. What goes around comes around, especially in the rapidly changing regional business. One day you might need their support, and despite your Mesa pilot bashing, I predict they would provide it to you.

 

[Beantown]

Wrong. You're confusing cannot with does not.

You don't think individual pilots in those pilot groups want things to be different?

Well if it's just themselves they're hurting what are you complaining about? It's easier to blame Mesa pilots than to blame ALPA or Mesa management, is that it? Reminds me of the archetypical junior high school bullying where the fat kids got made fun of... go on putting others down if it makes you feel better about yourself.

Classic group think if ever I heard it. Everyone else is saying Mesa pilots suck so why not join in and be part of the righteous gang. Look, since falling pay and reduced QOL is taking place at every regional airline, wouldn't it be more productive to stand by your fellow pilots, especially those whose working conditions are worse than yours, instead of taking up arms against them? How is your negative, blaming approach going to improve things for either them or for you?

Mesa pilots need your support, not your hatred. What goes around comes around, especially in the rapidly changing regional business. One day you might need their support, and despite your Mesa pilot bashing, I predict they would provide it to you.

This is the most dead on post I have read on flightinfo in a very long time. -Bean

 

[Lone Star]

I hope none of us are trying to get rich at the regionals, because it "AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. My dad flew for the "REGIONALS" in the late 1970's and almost made 1000.00 a month. Yes the pay hasn't gotten much better, but we could all be flying Metro's you know. The pilot's at Mesa are an incredible group of people and I urge you to stop bashing them. We are all doing this because we love to fly so try to remember that when you hear Mesa or any other airline callsign on the radio. We are all trying to feed are families and enjoy flying or "Shiny Jets". I don't see school teachers bashing the hell out of each other from one town to another because on group makes more than the other and have better principles or computers or students, etc etc. Why is this going on with our group??? So childish.

 

[n25na]

How is it SJS to go from a regional to a major where you will make more cash as a 2nd year FO than you did as CA at a regional.

ALPA cannot change the quality of work at Mesa or TSA or any other bottom feeder, individual pilots making up that pilot group must want to change and as long as they take jobs at those companies they hurting themselves... Blame is hardly misplaced.

agreed

 

[Fly-n-hi]

Then ALL of us regional pilots should just rise up and quit! Then we will FORCE those bastards to hire us at the majors. That will teach them!

Do you REALLY believe it is as simple as that? Wow, what an active imagination you have there. Honestly, some of you guys amaze me. You must have WAY to much free time on your hands.

Spiff

I don't personally care if you get hired at a major or not. I'm just telling you how it is.

Can you actually argue intelligently or is your arguement "Do you really believe blah, blah, blah"?

We amaze you? Your short sightedness amazes us. It's great when we show up to the negotiating table with management, ask for a raise, and listen to them tell us that we don't need a raise because there are people at Mesa who do the same job for 23k per year. Now that's amazing.

Hopefully, if you ever get a job at a major, you will understand.

 

[El Ocho]

Sarcasm?

How is it SJS to go from a regional to a major where you will make more cash as a 2nd year FO than you did as CA at a regional.

Uhm because you whore yourself out for those crappy first year FO wages just to fly a shiney new jet.... Have some dignity! Think of the industry!

I mean the idea that a pilot would want to fly a shiney new jet, that's just insane! That's the problem with this industry right there!! This taking advantage of better opportunities must stop!!

ALPA cannot change the quality of work at Mesa or TSA or any other bottom feeder, individual pilots making up that pilot group must want to change and as long as they take jobs at those companies they hurting themselves... Blame is hardly misplaced.

So the problem is the "quality of work" at Mesa??

And your evidence of this is what??

And the point you are making is because Mesa's "quality of work" sucks, somehow they then take jobs from... whom??

And how do we know whose jobs these are??

Right then! So, if all the pilots at Mesa were to quit, and join your company, the world would suddenly be perfect?? Well at least your seniority would be much better!

You don't suppose some other company might form up?? Maybe SOMEHOW find some pilots that work for less than OUR wage, GASP, and the company might then charge less for its product, and oh crap, we are right back were we started from!! Damn PILOTS!!

Isn't there some way to just let us do all the work and not any of the new pilots??

OH YEAH, but if that new company has "quality of work", then we are OK!! Right??

HUH??

 

[El Ocho]

It's great when we show up to the negotiating table with management, ask for a raise, and listen to them tell us that we don't need a raise because there are people at Mesa who do the same job for 23k per year.

My god, whatever can we do! There's someone that works for lower wages? Then we must cut our wages IMMEDIATELY! There's just no other option in the world! The argument is impenetrable! What can we do! We are all done for!

Hey man, just give up! Listen to management. Believe them. There is no other way! Resistance if futile!

I know! Maybe you should just go to work for Mesa now. That way you won't have to take that pay cut to below Mesa wages to keep your present job!

I mean what else can you do??